While I appreciate your sentiment, I think you missed the point of that remark. I wasn't seeking to demonstrate that "equality" for women was a bad thing. I was trying to point out that the "equality" that is supposedly the hallmark of the movement completely falls apart when it comes to including men, as men, in the equation.
In other words, feminism is all about equality for women . . . but not equality for men. It's a serious subject, one which we are often ridiculed for pursuing ("You're MEN! You get everything you want! What do YOU have to complain about!?!") because when we try to pursue our interests with the same determination as feminists, suddenly "equality" isn't nearly as important anymore. It's "equality" that there should be more women CEOs, engineers, and doctors. But it's not important that there aren't enough women deep sea fisherwomen, firewomen, lumberjacks and mine workers.
So it's not just about "equal rights", or feminism would push for equality when it came to the inequities suffered by men in our society, instead of continuously boosting the interests of women regardless of the consequences. At this point feminism seems little more than a justification for female entitlement, and most men not only don't take it seriously as an intellectual force, but view it as general negative in our society, despite its past successes.
Was that a little more clear?
My post was about both men and women, not just women. Alas I didn't think I had written that whole soliloquy about only women. Shows you how well I communicate.
Seriously, the ironic thing is that the feminist movement in the beginning was about equal rights for both men and women. The initial movement seems to have been somewhat distorted by the more radical fringes, which isn't an unknown thing to happen in movements. Something has to start the pendulum swinging and sometimes it takes a rather ugly, brute force to do it.
I wonder what would have happened if the movement would have been named differently and wouldn't have had such outliers headlining it. We'll never know now. I am not even sure how much of a 'movement' it is anymore. Is the civil rights movement still going on?
And I like your comment about deep-sea fisherman and such. Well, I never aspired to be one of those growing up about as far away from the ocean as there is. (But I sure did want to be an adventurer and archaeologist like Indiana Jones.) But, that merely reflects the choices people are given. Plenty of men don't want to be deep-sea fishermen either (maybe I should be politically correct and call them fisherpersons?), and you certainly don't have to be one if you don't want.
But, if you want to be one, man or woman, then you need to be sure that you can qualify for the job, and the opportunity should be promoted equally between both. Unfortunately, we don't promote these kinds of opportunities to both sexes equally. For example, there's still a divide in our education about promoting opportunities more equally amongst boys and girls. (Do we really equally promote boys going in to what has been more traditional female 'jobs' or staying home with their kids? Do we really equally promote girls going in to what have been more traditional male 'jobs' like being a deep-sea fisherman or an engineer?)
(Don't get me started on the educational system, because I have real problems with it as it concerns what I have lived through with my two boys. There needs to be a men's movement in how boys are being educated. But not to bash men, sometimes you aren't that well organized and don't step forward when you feel uncomfortable with the subject - like with those involving kids - so any movement will likely have to come from a bunch of moms like me who are starting to make a stink about the inequities we see in our son's educational opportunities and experiences. I am tired of hearing about how my boys don't fit into the 'idealized' student model. Nope, sorry, they've got some characteristics that are quite different than that and they are penalized for it because they can't sit still, don't vocalize as well, are more disruptive, etc.)
And firewomen, at least where I live, have to meet the same qualifications as the firemen simply because the job requires it. There are plenty of men who don't make the cut as well. There will always be differences in strength and ability not just between the sexes, but within the sexes. The point is having the opportunity. No one says that you don't get the job if you don't qualify, but first you have to have the opportunity - but remember in the beginning of the feminist movement even qualified individuals would often unfairly be turned away.
I certainly don't deny that there are issues for men. I see it all too often - especially in my divorced friends. But, so many of the men have just as often rolled over and given up. You need to get your rhetorical stick and start stirring them Ian.
One man I worked with just got divorced. His wife divorced him - they have 4 kids. They are sharing the financial responsibility - she had to go back to work and get a job and the child support is determined based upon both of them working. They had to sell their big house and both basically live in something a lot, lot less than what they had before. But, when it came to custodial issues, he just rolled over and didn't even put up a fight for more equitable time with his kids even though his wife actually initially pushed for 50/50 custody.
I asked him why he didn't agree to that and he said that he didn't think it was fair to his kids to be away from their mom that much (especially his girls), but then he admitted that frankly he didn't want to have to be responsible for them that much. It made him uncomfortable to have to be handling all of the daily, touchy stuff with the kids like his wife had always done and he wanted to have more free time. Hmmm....you have to be willing to carry the load if you're given the opportunity. Maybe we should have been promoting to this guy that having a nurturing, 'feminime' side for his kids (or at least a level of personal responsibility) was the right thing to do so he could have handled taking care of his own kids? All right, I couldn't help saying that - just teasing - maybe - kinda - am I?
There's still a long way to go, baby. But, as with anything, nothing happens unless people's eyes are first opened to the issues.