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Old 11-01-2011, 04:56 PM   #631 (permalink)
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I think Feminism is just one piece of an equation when talking about all of this. It isn't that we should put feminism in a vacuum and say it is the singular correlation causing X causation. Just from the standpoint of being a human being it is frustrating to me that I will never know a natural way of life.
Everything that occurs in nature is natural. The internet has occurred in nature, therefore it is natural, along with skyscrapers, cars, and divorce.
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A single anecdote of 11 years?

And who really cares who is better at anything anyway. I know smart men and smart women. I know stupid men and stupid women. Who cares. We aren't equal in a lot of things, but we're equal in value on this planet.

I like being a woman, a human, with strengths and weaknesses. I'm not here to compete with anyone I have a good man who is awesome in every way. So men in general don't concern me.
My point originally wasn't to judge better or worse, it was to say that we are all different. I will admit that I, like many men, put things into better/worse categories and compete, whereas women in general prefer cooperation. I'm not saying one is better than another, just exactly that we are different. We are all different, though we share a common humanity. Not all men share all traits of masculinity but we do tend to certain things, as do women. Those women who don't tend toward femininity don't concern me, as I am not interested in them.

Anyway, my main interest in this subject is that given certain feminine tendencies, women that I am interested in would be happier without feminism. Feminism isn't all bad, but like much of modernism, it threw out the baby with the bathwater. Anything feminine must be bad, because all women should be men. It's idiotic, and I've definitely heard this exact sentiment expressed by feminists, so don't tell me it's a strawman.
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My husband and I were having an interesting discussion about gender and school at dinner. My problem was with a notice sent home that said no fake weapons would be allowed in school. In other words, my Grimm Reaper of a five year old couldn't carry his sickle and my evil clown of an eleven year old couldn't carry his plastic hatchet and that they shouldn't wear masks or anything that depicted violence or gore. Yet, there was nothing on there about how Snow White's skirt should not be up to her bum and Cinderella should not carry her pearly, plastic wand.

The girls at the parade looked like hookers in full makeup and high skirts with boys in costumes where you had to guess what they were...soldiers without guns or helmets and Grimm Reapers without the hood over their heads.

I thought...how absolutely horrible this is for both our girls and our boys!
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My husband and I were having an interesting discussion about gender and school at dinner. My problem was with a notice sent home that said no fake weapons would be allowed in school. In other words, my Grimm Reaper of a five year old couldn't carry his sickle and my evil clown of an eleven year old couldn't carry his plastic hatchet and that they shouldn't wear masks or anything that depicted violence or gore. Yet, there was nothing on there about how Snow White's skirt should not be up to her bum and Cinderella should not carry her pearly, plastic wand.

The girls at the parade looked like hookers in full makeup and high skirts with boys in costumes where you had to guess what they were...soldiers without guns or helmets and Grimm Reapers without the hood over their heads.

I thought...how absolutely horrible this is for both our girls and our boys!
Agreed. Bet a woman came up with that policy ...
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Agreed. Bet a woman came up with that policy ...
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At the school I work at, we had set rules for costumes for both boys and girls.

The kids looked adorable and scary even without weapons and hoochie-momma costumes.
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At the school I work at, we had set rules for costumes for both boys and girls.

The kids looked adorable and scary even without weapons and hoochie-momma costumes.
When I was younger, I remember thinking how "open" I'd be with my kids about sex and language - and how "bad and terrible" violence is.

But I'd much rather my girls be carrying around fake knives than dressing like tramps.
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At the school I work at, we had set rules for costumes for both boys and girls.

The kids looked adorable and scary even without weapons and hoochie-momma costumes.
No costumes at our school, can't even call it Halloween. They call it a Fall party.
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I was always a ninja for Halloween. I should be ashamed of myself for promoting such a violent profession.
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No costumes at our school, can't even call it Halloween. They call it a Fall party.
Our old principal didn't allow ANY halloween celebration. it was "college awareness day" and we had to dress in a college shirt.

SO LAME.

People make such a big deal out of things these days. holy crap. It's just an old pagan holiday with some catholicism thrown on top which morphed into silly costumes and kids begging for candy, stomach aches and sugar comas.

It was a good day here!!
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At the school I work at, we had set rules for costumes for both boys and girls.

The kids looked adorable and scary even without weapons and hoochie-momma costumes.
Weapons? Really? I think they're actually props. The hoochie-momma, yeah, that's just hoochie-momma.

My daughter told me she wanted to be big bird (she's 15) and I thought...awww how cute. Then she showed me the costume. I couldn't believe costume companies could find a way to turn big bird into a ****ty teen costume.

Oy vey.
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I was always a ninja for Halloween. I should be ashamed of myself for promoting such a violent profession.


Were you ever a girl? Almost all guys seem to have one year where they become a girl.

I was Cindi Lauper, a Bennie, a ghostbuster and a ballerina to name a few. I'm really showing my age here.

Kids aren't allowed to eat candy in school now either since they're all fat apparently. Fat and hard to control for the teachers.

Of course, in NJ where Gov. Christie is regularly taking aim at their field and their union and getting rid of tenure, pensions and health benefits it's hard to fault them for being in a bad mood.
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Hey, I remember Cyndi Lauper and the Ghostbusters. For most of my early childhood, people in my house were careful to never ask, "Who you gonna call?" The response was always four kids screaming "GHOSTBUSTERS!!!"

One of my favorite Cyndi Lauper songs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFq4E9XTueY
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Kids this year mostly didn't bother to dress up. They showed up. It was raining quite a bit so I wouldn't want to get in a costume either, but still - at least try to pretend to put some effort into it you slacker beggars.

On the other hand at the Food Lion last night I saw a guy in a tux, a woman wearing head to toe all leather and a young woman in pajama bottom, tank top, hoodie and fuzzy slippers.
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Agreed. Bet a woman came up with that policy ...
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Everything that occurs in nature is natural. The internet has occurred in nature, therefore it is natural, along with skyscrapers, cars, and divorce.
There is an old joke that the #1 cause of divorce is marriage.

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Were you ever a girl? Almost all guys seem to have one year where they become a girl. ??????....I hope it has not come to this.

Nope. Never been a girl for Halloween. Never been a girl in real life either.


I was Cindi Lauper, a Bennie, a ghostbuster and a ballerina to name a few. I'm really showing my age here.

They used to sell the ghost trap, complete with air pump to open the trap door.

Kids aren't allowed to eat candy in school now either since they're all fat apparently. Fat and hard to control for the teachers.

Of course, in NJ where Gov. Christie is regularly taking aim at their field and their union and getting rid of tenure, pensions and health benefits it's hard to fault them for being in a bad mood.

These kind of structural changes seem to be happening everywhere, not just with teachers.
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And most likely the same exact "rodent-like male attorney" with whom she is consulting in taking her ex "boo" to court/divorce.
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