Many of the cases of women and men having children and not getting married has nothing to do with them being against marriage. It's due to entitlement and irresponsibility. Even though alot of these women are in a relationship (and usually living with the father until they break up) they are considered by the government as single mothers and eligible for public assistance. They do it for the free money which is a shame because that's not what the system was set up for.
PS this is not a slam to people who need and deserve assistance, its against the abuse of it.
Sorry for the mini-hijack, but in what ways do you see catering from parents? My kids are getting to that age, would love to hear your perspective so I might learn something.
Mothers that come to school to feed their 11 year old lunch. I don't mean bring their lunch, but help them eat it.
Mothers who carry their 11 year olds backpacks home from school, while pushing a stroller. I see no reason why the boy can't carry his own shet.
Mothers who will not accept that their 11 year son has caused any problems, even when the facts are right there.
Parenting together. I took issue with the assertion that it is only men who think marriage is a raw deal. The data supports that BOTH sexes are beginning to shy away from marriage.
I don't watch shows that glorify stupidity. I never watched Everybody Loves Raymond. Dumb husband, nag of a wife. People aren't like that but Hollywood portrays it as such. My point being, if you dislike something so much, stop supporting it. Explain then why men are the demographic for Family Guy.
Fart jokes and **** jokes. And I applaud you for your taste. My issue isn't with Family Guy, per se -- indeed, FG is an utter parody of the sitcom, with each character a highly exaggerated stereotype.
But there's no excuse for not being entertaining. As a writer, that's an even greater sin than gender bias. King of Queens, Everyone Loves Raymond, and other shows of that ilk are a blight on the creative world, as well as the gender world.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Therealbrighteyes
Not sure what I can do about it. All I know is that while my husband and I have issues, he is one hell of a father and yes, he should be equal in our parenting.
You could agitate on our behalf, but the truth is that few women even think it's a problem, much less an issue for advocacy. If the laws get changed, it will be because men will shout loud enough to get them changed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Therealbrighteyes
Only 100,000 in the U.S? Wow, prostitutes are as rare as the Yeti then I guess! There are over 100,000 full time in the city I live in. It just isn't legal and they don't pay income taxes so there are no records. At least when a miner dies, their name is mentioned as a human being and their family gets benefits.
Note I said "full time" -- there are countless women who turn tricks occasionally to supplement their income, and countless more who do it for "gifts" to lend it legitimacy. But in terms of real, honest-to-goddess *****s, the number is around 100,000. And I completely agree with you that the prostitute doesn't get nearly enough respect in our society. They are human beings, many (if not most) of them mothers with children, and at least in Nevada they do pay income taxes. Sex workers deserve our respect and sympathy, not our derision and condemnation. There's a new campaign to that effect in San Francisco now that I find incredibly promising . . . of course, no one else even wants to admit that there is a sex trade, much less that men and women in their town participate in it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Therealbrighteyes
Strip clubs aren't gender based organizations? I can think of nothing more gender based.
Mothers Against Drunk Driving? Mary Kay? Avon? The La Leche League? There are tons of women-dominated (though unofficially gender-based) organizations.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Therealbrighteyes
A bunch of men coming together to objectify women.
Actually, a bunch of men coming together to drink highly overpriced beers and pay through the nose to look at live naked women who despise them. Most strip club regulars are so socially retarded and physically unappealing that strip clubs are the closest they ever get to a real female boob. The objectification issue runs both ways, as the girls objectify the men just as much as the men objectify the women.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Therealbrighteyes
A woman being at the disadvantage, taking off her clothes, grinding on men, doing other things for money.
How is she at a disadvantage? Security and local laws protect her from even being touched by the men in most jurisdictions, and considering how much money they make the question of who is exploiting whom is completely relevant.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Therealbrighteyes
They promote plenty. Women are objects and for the right price, are taken advantage of as a human being who is struggling. The men have the money and thus the upper hand.
This is a common perception of strip clubs, usually by people who have never been in one, much less patronized one or (goddess forbid!) actually talked to a stripper about her vocation. Consider the poor, desperate men who go to these clubs regularly, men who for whatever reason have almost no hope of connecting with a woman without money being involved. Yet they have money, so these women take advantage of their great longing for human sexual contact, the scent of a woman, and all the other sexual cues that will only frustrate them more, and then these women (who know they would never, ever see any of these guys socially) encourage them to come back over and over with the pretense of some sort of sexual relationship while they really, truly, just want his wallet. So who actually has the upper hand, here? Whom is being exploited?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Therealbrighteyes
Strip clubs open to ridicule? Um, yeah. They close because their accounting and business reporting practices are negligent, mainly they don't pay payroll taxes.
No argument there. I've known only two strip-club owners who ran their business like a business, paid their employees and their taxes, and participated in the local business community. Both clubs have been around for over 25 years. Most strip-club owners are idiots.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Therealbrighteyes
Mens weakness and cowardice? Any chance you will come to Houston and talk to the detectives who are tasked with getting the DNA kits tested. The 4,000 of them that sit on shelves. The 4,000 that are nearly ALL womens rape kits. Men don't report for the same reason a woman doesn't. It often times goes nowhere.
No argument there, either. The way we handle rape in this country is appalling. For both men and women.
That's pretty revolting. Hell my son did his own laundry at 8. Cannot even imagine spoon feeding him at 11.
But this is where I come from. I see this crap daily. I see mothers treating their boys like kings.
No wonder they don't grow up to be real men.
I think with feminism, the pendulum swung in the opposite direction than it was...so now, the next few generations have to find that balance. It's there, but both sexes have to realize a few things.
I do know that my female friends who have very feministic (is that a word? LOL) views are also single but then complain about being single. If I was a man, I wouldn't want to be with them either...why be with someone who constantly prides herself on not needing you?
I will admit it's difficult to find a REAL man in the dating scene...my husband is a true gem.
However, if it was affordable, I'd choose to be a housewife full-time. I get so much pride out of keeping a home for my family. As it is, my hours allow me to be home by 3, so it's not so bad. Am I non-progressive? I don't think so. It would be a choice, not something I was forced to do and THAT makes all the difference, to me.
But I've never been a feminist, I must admit. Sorry, fellow women, but...I don't share the plight of the feminist. I know who I am. I know I'm a strong woman. If need be, I can take care of my own (I was a single mom for 7 years without public assistance). But I prefer to have my life as it is. I like relying on my husband for protection and safety. I do feel safe when with him. I like having doors opened for me. I like being thought of as delicate and soft. lol I know I'm not delicate, but I like being taken care of.
Maybe that comes from my own experiences growing up with a single mother. She was mom and dad and no one did crap for her. Yea, she made it ok, but she's bitter and cold and has this HORRIBLE attitude about men that I had to cleanse myself of as an adult.
I don't know. Probably just talking out of my ass. lol. But I enjoy being a woman. I enjoy being old-fashioned. I lost track of that when things got overwhelming with work and family, but I have found a healthy balance and things are good.
Parenting together. I took issue with the assertion that it is only men who think marriage is a raw deal. The data supports that BOTH sexes are beginning to shy away from marriage.
You're not making sense. You are supporting sperm donation and single-motherhood as something that should be encouraged by young women in order to "get around" a man. But your true solution is "parenting together." Mmmmmm. Cake and eat it too.
Exactly. I guess objectifying only goes one way with Ole' Wood yet he gets all uppity when that same standard is applied to men.
Hey, want to make his head explode? Talk about a womans biological need....specifically about punching holes in condoms to ensure more children, not taking the pill and tricking a man in to being a father. In that case, she is just being evil and not acting on biological instinct but watch as he dances around a man behaving a certain way based on DNA.
I don't think women who do that are "evil". I think that they are manipulative, deceitful, and dishonorable, but I would never say they are "evil", any more than a man who lies to a woman to get her to sleep with him is "evil". Both are just pursuing their biological urges.
Objectification is, indeed, a two-way street. The difference is that in men objectification is a natural response to rejection, whereas in women objectification is seen as a positive trait.
Women are choosing to remain single in droves too. What incentive does she have to marry? None.
There you go. It’s like your mantra.
The problem is the young girls actually believe what feminists like yourself preach. And they naively take it onboard as part of their core value system and the rules which they live by. “Hey look, he looks like a decent sperm donor. I’ll get preggers by him and then I get a house and I’ll kick him out because I don’t need a man”.
Look behind you and see the trail of destruction in family life it’s caused. Just because you as an individual cannot see value in being married, and you say it so very often, that doesn’t mean there isn’t any value in being married.
And again, look behind you and see the trail of destruction caused by your mantra. That is the shadow side of your type of feminism. But you wont want to see that much less face up to it.
I never wanted to get married. I think that came from my mother.
However, there was TON of incentive to get married. Money wasn't a factor as I had my own and was single for a long time-- supporting myself. The incentives were more emotional for me.
I teach my daughter's the importance of marriage too.
Not once did I say "I don't need a man". In fact I have said repeatedly here that my husband is a fantastic father and I would not want to go it alone. I also in no way blamed single motherhood on fathers who leave. What I was blaming was the situation AFEH mentioned in that he blamed the women for being single parents and said nothing about the 1MM+ men who failed to support their children.
I am not trying to harp on you specifically but it is important to note that you can speak with conviction and confidence because you are, of course, WITH a man, and in a family unit. Being with a member of the opposite sex does give someone more confidence and it can boost the moral of both individuals, which is to my point that this generation lacks any confidence at all because we do not have the family structure that we used to have..."a fantastic father."
Re: Feminism.... 
