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post #16 of 62 (permalink) Old 06-04-2016, 10:54 AM
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Shooting the gorilla was the right thing to do with the education, ability and understanding humans have about gorillas today. The parent is as much at fault for being distracted, as the zoo is for not having proper fencing to guard against this ever happening.

If the gorilla wanted to kill the child, he would have. Who knows what would have happened if the gorilla had not been killed? Obviously, we don't know enough about gorillas to know how to interact with them in a meaningful way. Unfortunately, the gorilla had to be killed.

Primates in zoos are more likely to be those whose mothers were shot and killed in the wild to make ashtrays out of their hands or use some glands for Chinese medicines. They are illegally taken in the wild for money. Those taking them range from desperately poor to professional high paid hunters/trappers.

As long as there is a demand and a supply, this will continue.

Many, if not all of those orphaned primates would not survive in the wild.

Zoos are no place for wild animals. They deserve to live naturally. Sometimes, their natural habitat is destroyed and they are forced to come in contact with humans whom they naturally fear. This is bigger than just a question of whether a wild animal is dangerous or not.


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Do we seriously expect zoos and other public venues to make it physically impossible for a kid to get hurt? What would that even look like? A four year old can step off any curb into the path of a garbage truck. They can lay down on any railroad track. They can climb on any shelf in any store, stick things in electrical outlets, hurt themselves on tools for sale at Lowe's, etc. Erecting reasonable barriers that would discourage sane adults from jumping into a gorilla pits should be sufficient. It's not the responsibility of a zoo to keep your kid out of the street, off rooftops, or out of the gorilla pit. That's why God gave your kid parents. If a parent is negligent any kid can get hurt anywhere. If parents are neglectful or stupid, the solution is to relieve them of parenting duties, make them incapable of having more kids, and handing their kids over to a responsible adult. Millions of kids have visited the gorillas in that zoo without leaping or falling into the pit. There is no destination south of Heaven where a 4 year old can't get hurt. Whether you have a Pit Bull or a kid, if you can't control them, keep them at home until you can. It's not the world's fault that you have your parenting head up your a$$.
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I agree that you can't make anything "idiot proof". They keep making more ingenious idiots. I also think that the pictures I saw comparing the fencing at this zoo to other zoos, is pretty telling. I think zoos have an obligation to make it as safe and comfortable as possible for the animals, as well as idiots.

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I read that in that area fences 4' high are required around backyards with pools. The gorilla cage fence was 2.5' high.

So pools are more dangerous than gorillas apparently.
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People are just plain stupid and there's not enough Bubble-wrap in the world to protect them from their own stupidity. Go to a national park or nature preserve and watch humans interact with wild predators under conditions where there are no barriers of any kind. People will walk up on bears, gators, bison, sharks, rhinos, tigers, lions, and act amazed that they end up dead or dismembered. Invariably, officials have to destroy animals for properly behaving as the predators they are. Critters really shouldn't have to pay just because humans interfere with natural selection and artificially enable the stupid to breed and survive.
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I read that in that area fences 4' high are required around backyards with pools. The gorilla cage fence was 2.5' high.

So pools are more dangerous than gorillas apparently.


See, that's why I love this forum. I saw this on TV, but the reporters didn't clue anyone in on who is responsible. They just kept showing the video of the gorilla treating the little boy like a rag doll over and over again.

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I think zoos expect visitors to be more intelligent and aware than the animals.

But, look at the other thread where the baby bison was placed in a van and taken to the park office! They don't test for idiots at the ticket counter. Maybe they should start?

"It's just a cute little gorilla that interacts with human caretakers. Isn't it? He won't hurt anyone or he would not be on display. Oh sure. Same with the polar bears, tigers an lions, they're all like pets." Idiots...

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IMO we should not be keeping dangerous animals in zoos any longer or breed them. With today's media capabilities there is no need to go look at the animals when we can see them in the wild.


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Every day humans are released from prison amidst the unsuspecting public and many of those are far more violent than any gorilla dreamed of being. If we let those wastes of DNA breed we shouldn't have any objections to the breeding of any animal in a zoo.
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I read that in that area fences 4' high are required around backyards with pools. The gorilla cage fence was 2.5' high.

So pools are more dangerous than gorillas apparently.
I wish I could find the article now but I read that there were 3 barriers that the child had to get through. The fence, moat and one other I can't remember. The moat was the last barrier which he fell into and that's where the gorilla got him.
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Whatever the barriers were they have successfully kept normal humans out of the gorilla pen for quite a spell. If you aren't going to supervise a four year old they will devise a thousand ways to kill themselves.

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There are a lot of maybes for sure, but this is why i'm against wild animals being kept in zoos. We take animals, put them in zoos for a profit, and then kill them when they behave like...animals? lol The situation seemed to make sense, even though it's incredibly sad that the gorilla had to be put down, but it still upsets me that he was in captivity out of his natural habitat, to begin with.
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In my ideal world the fate of the child (and the stupid/careless/ignorant parent) would have been left to the gorilla.

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I wish I could find the article now but I read that there were 3 barriers that the child had to get through. The fence, moat and one other I can't remember. The moat was the last barrier which he fell into and that's where the gorilla got him.
This reads like you think the moat was there to keep humans out. It's not. It's there to keep the gorilla in his area. It isn't the same as a moat for a castle, which protects the inhabitants from marauders.

There was a less than 3.5 feet fence, and some bushes between the viewing area and the edge of the moat, which was a fifteen feet drop to the bottom.

The bushes were likely trimmed as low as the fence, or lower, so they did not obstruct views.

The hospital did not release reports on the child's injuries sustained by the fifteen feet fall onto the concrete floor of the moat.

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"it's just a cute little gorilla that interacts with human caretakers. Isn't it? He won't hurt anyone or he would not be on display. Oh sure. Same with the polar bears, tigers an lions, they're all like pets." idiots...
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It's not impossible for a kid to get into the gorilla pit of a zoo any more than it's impossible for a kid to dive headlong into the deep fat fryer at McDonald's. 4 year olds don't typically go to McDonald's or to the zoo unattended. They are little short, suicidal munchkins and that's why they have parents.
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