LOL, and you told off that other poster for an essay? "I would have written you a shorter, better letter if I had more time", would apply.
Look how far back in time you have to go to find crime in Canada that I can show you happens in a single year in the US!
Why do you keep saying crime must be Zero? It doesn't, that's not how risk works. You are trying to concoct a BS argument that even you don't believe. This is you wanting to "win", not you believing you are making a good argument.
The crime risk just needs to be low enough so that it doesn't justify the need for the general public to carry guns. Our risk is low, so we don't permit them. Folks who have a legit reason like hunting can have them, but not to walk around the grocery store with. We just don't need them. Sure, you can find isolated cases of violence, that would be true anywhere. But what you ALSO DON'T FIND are cases of kids shooting each other, repeated school massacres, theatre shootings, fathers taking out their entire family systematically walking through their white, upscale mansion (remember that? Just last year was it?), etc. You could go back to the founding of Canada for gun and violent crime and fill up a few pages. A comparable study for the US fills VOLUMES.
I don't recall telling off a poster for writing an essay. You are confusing me with someone.
My argument is that there is always a need unless the risk is zero. By your logic I have no need for a seatbelt or motorcycle helmet. I've been driving cars since 1977 and riding motorcycles since 1983 with no accidents and never needing those safety devices. Obviously, then, I don't need
to wear them when driving or riding.
Yet we know that the accident rate is greater than zero. Today somebody in my city is going to need
a seatbelt or motorcycle helmet. And people will choose at times to ignore the risk and not wear a seatbelt or helmet.
What you advocate is "acceptable losses" amongst innocent victims. You believe that your personal risk is zero from violent criminals, so you want to disarm others so that you can feel safer that a law abiding gun owner won't go nutso in your presence and convert to a violent criminal. In other words, you fear the law abiding gun owner far more than you fear the armed career criminal.
This would be akin to banning seat belts and motorcycle helmets because there are a few cases each year where a person is killed because of the safety device. I've never needed them, I drive safely, and I don't ever expect to need them. But I might be killed by getting trapped in a burning car or have my neck broken by the helmet. So if you or anybody else dies due to lack of a seat belt or helmet, it isn't my problem is it?
I've pointed out that there are places in your country which have much higher violent crime rates than my gun riddled metro area. While you do have an overall lower murder rate than the overall US murder rate, you certainly do not have a materially or substantially better rate than many places in the USA. Compared to places like Chicago, Newark, DC, and Baltimore with super strict gun control, probably stricter than in Canada, yes you have a lower murder rate.
You are so entrenched in your belief system that you are incapable of logical analysis. Guns are not the problem, it is the violent people who are the problem, and yes we do have areas with far too many violent people.
The correlation between violent crime and illegally possessed firearms is pretty high. The correlation between lawful gun ownership and violent crime is negative
. You have no reason to fear the law abiding citizen carrying his gun in a grocery store, and he in fact provides some generalized benefit to you by lowering the overall crime rate and perhaps stopping a violent crime which affects you while you're there. The one you should worry about is the violent criminal, who is not going to be peaceably walking around with his gun concealed (or if he is, he isn't a threat to you at the moment is he?). You're not going to know he's a problem to you until he suddenly is. Unless your police have x-ray vision and can see who is carrying a concealed weapon.