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post #1 of 90 (permalink) Old 09-23-2016, 09:12 PM Thread Starter
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The two facets of hypergamy

I see that there is a lot of confusion about two seemingly contradictory notions wrapped up in the term "hypergamy".

Hypergamy is defined as the female tendency to seek the best available male as her sexual mate.

The confusion has to do with the definition of "best", which is bipartite.

The first definition of "best" is "having the greatest genetic fitness".
The second definition of "best" is "having the greatest ability to provide for the woman and her children".

An example of the first type of "best" would be an athletic man with high physical symmetry and aggressiveness that could be passed onto male children, who would then propagate the woman's genes well.

An example of the second type of "best" would be a wealthy and famous man who could provide material comforts for the woman and her children.

The combination of these two definitions in one man would be ideal, but unfortunately they are not often found in the same man, especially in today's civilized world in which archetypal male physical characteristics such as strength and aggression aren't always positively viewed by society.

So if a woman can't find one man who meets both definitions, hypergamy implies that a woman should find the best male in each of these categories, one to provide the best genetic material and the other to provide for the offspring in material ways.

This is where the "pool boy" (genetically fit) and "walking ATM" (provider) stereotypes come from.

I hope this clarifies the meaning of hypergamy.


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Re: The two facets of hypergamy

Throw in sperm competition and really complicate things.
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Re: The two facets of hypergamy

Please stop posting your RP propaganda in the relationship forums. If you want to post about this nonsense, do it in the social forum or the political forum.

The last thing someone coming to TAM for help needs is to see are angry thread after thread on this stuff.

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Please stop posting your RP propaganda in the relationship forums. If you want to post about this nonsense, do it in the social forum or the political forum.

The last thing someone coming to TAM for help needs is to see angry thread after thread on this stuff.
Would you move it to the political forum then, please?

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@EleGirl, thank you for moving it.

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Would you move it to the political forum then, please?
I already did. Didn't you notice that we mods moved all your other ones?

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Throw in sperm competition and really complicate things.
Thanks, but let's deal with one concept at a time, please. It's hard enough to keep these threads on track anyway.

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I already did. Didn't you notice that we mods moved all your other ones?
No, I hadn't noticed that.

(I browse by "active topics", so I don't usually notice which forums threads are in.)

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If we are going with evolutionary pressures, then we need data on what will cause a woman to have the most descendants some number (probably dozens) of generations in the future. Its not at all obvious that athletic ability in a father maximizes that. Maybe having a child who is part of a conquering army? I'm not sure.


Its clear though that evolutionary pressures are not the real driver in the modern world. Any billionaire could have hundreds of children if they chose to do so. The great majority just have a typical number. Evolution would also drive men to desire slightly overweight large women with broad hips because those are probably the ones that would have done the best with child birth over the last thousand years. A pock-marked face showing that they had survived and now had immunity to childhood diseases would be a plus.

Evolution would also seem to wipe out homosexuality very quickly.


Clearly people are not actually driven by evolutionary pressures anymore.
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If we are going with evolutionary pressures, then we need data on what will cause a woman to have the most descendants some number (probably dozens) of generations in the future. Its not at all obvious that athletic ability in a father maximizes that. Maybe having a child who is part of a conquering army? I'm not sure.


Its clear though that evolutionary pressures are not the real driver in the modern world. Any billionaire could have hundreds of children if they chose to do so. The great majority just have a typical number. Evolution would also drive men to desire slightly overweight large women with broad hips because those are probably the ones that would have done the best with child birth over the last thousand years. A pock-marked face showing that they had survived and now had immunity to childhood diseases would be a plus.

Evolution would also seem to wipe out homosexuality very quickly.


Clearly people are not actually driven by evolutionary pressures anymore.
I don't know if this is what you were alluding to or not... but... yeah.

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Re: The two facets of hypergamy

You just love to stir up sh!t dontcha?
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Re: The two facets of hypergamy

Free will under Nazi occupation is at best a fuzzy concept, and any wartime pictures / videos are potentially very influenced by various propaganda machines.

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I don't know if this is what you were alluding to or not... but... yeah.
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Re: The two facets of hypergamy

What the OP posted is the Red Pill definition of the word hypergamy. How about looking the word up in a standard dictionary, where you will find ...

hy·per·ga·my /hīˈpərɡəmē/ noun

the action of marrying a person of a superior caste or class.

BTW, the word originates from the 19th century so tell me why we are talking about it now.
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What the OP posted is the Red Pill definition of the word hypergamy. How about looking the word up in a standard dictionary, where you will find ...

hy·per·ga·my /hīˈpərɡəmē/ noun

the action of marrying a person of a superior caste or class.

BTW, the word originates from the 19th century so tell me why we are talking about it now.
First, the point is that most women are hypergamous, whereas most men aren't. This is why you almost never see a female doctor marrying a male nurse or a female executive marrying a waiter, whereas a male doctor marrying a female nurse or a male executive marrying a waitress is much more common.

Second, the word "politics" originates from the 16th century. Should we not talk about it?

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Hypergamy is defined as the female tendency to seek the best available male as her sexual mate.
So what's the word for males seeking the hottest female as her sexual mate and trading her in for a new one when she's not hot anymore?

Does that have a jargon term to throw around? Or do only supposed female behaviors need catchy slang?
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