Raising a "future ex-wife" - Page 11 - Talk About Marriage
Politics and Religion This is the place to discuss politics, morality, religion, and anything controversial.

User Tag List

 165Likes
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
post #151 of 167 (permalink) Old 10-08-2016, 05:58 PM
Member
 
wild jade's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 1,354
Re: Raising a "future ex-wife"

Quote:
Originally Posted by tech-novelist View Post
As unappealing as such a choice is, how can it be worse than not having it?
The climate that sex tourism creates is not a pretty one. The value of having this choice should not be treated as an isolated transaction. It must also be weighed against the costs of having that choice. And I can tell you, the costs are very, very high. Much higher than 5 cents.

wild jade is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #152 of 167 (permalink) Old 10-08-2016, 07:13 PM
Member
 
Catherine602's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 6,362
Re: Raising a "future ex-wife"

I didn't realize how kind pedophiles, sexual predators, immortal and exploitative men were. These saviors of the poor women and children the world over should be praised not reviled as reptilian bottom feeders.

Just imagine how many women and children would starve if they were not used by 1000's of dirtbags over their lifetime. It would be more merciful if they escaped this fate by going to their reward in Haven.

The fact that the great majority of the exploited are plucked when they are children, escapes most people. They don't consent to being treated inhumanly because they are born poor. The men who can countenance using non-consenting children and teens for their sexual pleasure are the lowest of humans.

They should be separated from humanity for the rest of their miserable loser lives. Locked together in an institution so they can prey upon each other. I pray that in the future there will be a tipping point. Good people who know that sex does not justify exploitation and evil will move en mass to stamp out this human scourge.

My magic wand would remove shame from sexuality for all! Anon Pink
Catherine602 is offline  
post #153 of 167 (permalink) Old 10-08-2016, 07:28 PM
Member
 
2ntnuf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: PA
Posts: 13,997
Re: Raising a "future ex-wife"

What do good people believe sex justifies? Who is good? Is it judgmental to say one is good and another is not? Are good people judgmental? Is judging people a trait of the good?

I agree with those who are so angry about being used as sex toys when they and others were children. It is heinous. How does one who never experienced or will experience these exploitations or the desire to exploit come to understand these intricacies so well?

I have to think of something like an economic model. The rule of supply and demand seems to fit. If there is not supply, the price goes up. If there is supply aplenty, the price goes down.

If there is no demand, the price goes down. If there is no supply, the price goes up.

If there is no supply and no demand, the issue will become moot.

I don't see how we can get to the last one.

I think those countries where this is legal would benefit from good jobs. What do they have to offer the world and their citizens? Do they have natural resources, inexpensive workforces that can undercut 1st and 2nd world worker pays, governments which desire to obtain taxes from the work of its citizens? Do they have corporate tax structures that make it profitable for a business to relocate there in a new high tech building built on low cost property within an area with a large willing and capable workforce?

Or, are they simply trying to get someone to offer them some funding for fighting crime?

Just some thoughts that came up.

What does this have to do with your thread topic, @tech-novelist? I haven't a clue.

"I'm significant!! Screamed the dust speck." - Bill Watterson

"And this, too, shall pass away."
2ntnuf is offline  
 
post #154 of 167 (permalink) Old 10-08-2016, 07:44 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 326
Re: Raising a "future ex-wife"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Catherine602 View Post
I didn't realize how kind pedophiles, sexual predators, immortal and exploitative men were. These saviors of the poor women and children the world over should be praised not reviled as reptilian bottom feeders.
This is CRAZY talk! Those people should be locked away not put on a pedestal.

They are probably mentally ill and a danger to society.
Manchester is offline  
post #155 of 167 (permalink) Old 10-08-2016, 08:20 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 2,696
Re: Raising a "future ex-wife"

I've said it more than once, Tech-Novelist but as much as you want to champion that Red Pill activists or people who "buy in" to Red Pill aren't rapists or rape apologists, in nearly every thread you've started you've managed, intentional or otherwise to basically make an off hand comment that gives that idea.

The fact that you don't think American businessmen should be blamed (and likely not prosecuted) for just taking advantage of a "service" offered in another country and really are doing people a favor by paying money to have sex with 9 year old boys or girls speaks volumes.

We could also discuss how the policies of G8 countries with BS like the World Bank help keep other countries poor to the benefit of others, but I'm wondering if that's just seen as Social Darwinism - IE being Alpha in the political sphere and thus is also praiseworthy.

Does America have a share of blame in the current economic situation in say ... Laos, or Cambodia, or Vietnam, or any other country directly affected by our BS in feeling it was our duty and right to go determine the political future of others? Yes. We caused hot messes all over the world and then act ignorant like we don't realize what we did later. So am I angry at those governments? Sure. But I'm also mad that in a lot of cases it was us through direct action or interference that set those things up to begin with. America loves it's "freedom" even if it has to piss on the freedom of half of the rest of the world to get it.

So are individual businessmen to blame for that, perhaps not. But I don't blame you or judge you for whether or not you made someone else poor, but I sure as hell can judge you when you take advantage of it. I'm as liberal as they come on all kinds of issues, but I believe pedophiles should be assisted with a state issued death and personally I'd feel rather okay with it getting downright medieval.
Starstarfish is offline  
post #156 of 167 (permalink) Old 10-08-2016, 08:38 PM
Member
 
2ntnuf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: PA
Posts: 13,997
Re: Raising a "future ex-wife"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Starstarfish View Post
We could also discuss how the policies of G8 countries with BS like the World Bank help keep other countries poor to the benefit of others, but I'm wondering if that's just seen as Social Darwinism - IE being Alpha in the political sphere and thus is also praiseworthy.

Does America have a share of blame in the current economic situation in say ... Laos, or Cambodia, or Vietnam, or any other country directly affected by our BS in feeling it was our duty and right to go determine the political future of others? Yes. We caused hot messes all over the world and then act ignorant like we don't realize what we did later. So am I angry at those governments? Sure. But I'm also mad that in a lot of cases it was us through direct action or interference that set those things up to begin with. America loves it's "freedom" even if it has to piss on the freedom of half of the rest of the world to get it.

So are individual businessmen to blame for that, perhaps not. But I don't blame you or judge you for whether or not you made someone else poor, but I sure as hell can judge you when you take advantage of it. I'm as liberal as they come on all kinds of issues, but I believe pedophiles should be assisted with a state issued death and personally I'd feel rather okay with it getting downright medieval.
You should vote for Trump. He doesn't want to trade with other countries. He doesn't want to be involved with their politics and believes we have no business telling them how to live or do whatever. I think he's right in those respects. The trouble is, bleeding hearts in this country could never just care for their own. We had to help others in need get back to living as usual, but that wasn't good enough. They thought we needed to help them achieve what we have or something that would start them on their way to what we have.

In this post, you pretty much say you don't believe what we have done is right. So, why would you want to help other countries to solve their problems? Why wouldn't you want to stay out of it and let them handle their own?

Maybe you don't really believe your own words? I'm not sure. It just doesn't make any sense to me. We aren't the most intelligent country on earth. We aren't the best and brightest. Why do we take on those responsibilities? They don't want our help...just our money. When are we going to understand that and back way off?

I guess we will just continue to believe in fairy tales and dreams? First world folks just don't understand. I guess I'd be the same if I had nothing to worry about in my own life.

"I'm significant!! Screamed the dust speck." - Bill Watterson

"And this, too, shall pass away."
2ntnuf is offline  
post #157 of 167 (permalink) Old 10-08-2016, 08:54 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 2,696
Re: Raising a "future ex-wife"

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2ntnuf View Post
You should vote for Trump. He doesn't want to trade with other countries. He doesn't want to be involved with their politics and believes we have no business telling them how to live or do whatever. I think he's right in those respects. The trouble is, bleeding hearts in this country could never just care for their own. We had to help others in need get back to living as usual, but that wasn't good enough. They thought we needed to help them achieve what we have or something that would start them on their way to what we have.

In this post, you pretty much say you don't believe what we have done is right. So, why would you want to help other countries to solve their problems? Why wouldn't you want to stay out of it and let them handle their own?

Maybe you don't really believe your own words? I'm not sure. It just doesn't make any sense to me. We aren't the most intelligent country on earth. We aren't the best and brightest. Why do we take on those responsibilities? They don't want our help...just our money. When are we going to understand that and back way off?

I guess we will just continue to believe in fairy tales and dreams? First world folks just don't understand. I guess I'd be the same if I had nothing to worry about in my own life.
I'm not voting for Trump, though thank you for the invite.

I never said I didn't believe we should trade with other countries. We are way past our ability to do anything else, and folks like Donald Trump who complain about American businesses leaving and then have clothing lines and other businesses established in other countries for maximum profits are part of that. We are way past the ability not to trade with other people if Americans want to maintain their current level of consumption.

As for getting involved in their politics, playing world politics is a necessity in a world where there's thermo-nuclear weapons.

Do I believe we did right during the Vietanam War? No.

Do I feel we should help other countries? It depends on the end game. Ours is rarely simply helping others out of concern of Christian charity. There's always a bigger end game. So when will who understand that? The politicians and businessmen like **** Cheney who run the military-industrial-complex? They know what they are doing.

When will the American people figure out that all of our "wars on terrorism" or "peace keeping" missions are done for far less noble reasons? Who knows.
Starstarfish is offline  
post #158 of 167 (permalink) Old 10-08-2016, 09:19 PM
Member
 
2ntnuf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: PA
Posts: 13,997
Re: Raising a "future ex-wife"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Starstarfish View Post
I'm not voting for Trump, though thank you for the invite.

My responses in blue text cause I don't care and am lazy. Never invited you to do anything. Told you what you can't figure out on your own.

I never said I didn't believe we should trade with other countries. We are way past our ability to do anything else, and folks like Donald Trump who complain about American businesses leaving and then have clothing lines and other businesses established in other countries for maximum profits are part of that. We are way past the ability not to trade with other people if Americans want to maintain their current level of consumption.

Not a problem for me. I don't consume much. Speak for yourself.

As for getting involved in their politics, playing world politics is a necessity in a world where there's thermo-nuclear weapons.

Not when you have all the weapons and high technology, the money with which most things are bought and sold.

Do I believe we did right during the Vietanam War? No.

Do I feel we should help other countries? It depends on the end game. Ours is rarely simply helping others out of concern of Christian charity. There's always a bigger end game. So when will who understand that? The politicians and businessmen like **** Cheney who run the military-industrial-complex? They know what they are doing.

If you mean attempting to become richer and more powerful by extorting others, I think I understand your post. Not sure what the Vietnam War has to do with it. Did you know it was a police action and not a war? I don't believe Congress ever declared it a war. I believe the president called the shots and Congress could legally do little to thwart it. Maybe that's a Constitutional power the president should not have, unless the United States of America itself is attacked, and limited to six months without a declaration of war by Congress? I always thought that's how the Constitution was worded originally, but I could be mistaken.

When will the American people figure out that all of our "wars on terrorism" or "peace keeping" missions are done for far less noble reasons? Who knows.

This is really not what I was talking about. It is partly, but not wholly what I meant. It's so difficult to post anything that someone will not misunderstand. There is so much more that we do that does not even come to fighting or killing others. Money is the big persuader. War is for when money won't buy changes we agree with. It's sad that so many in our country are fooled. I am ashamed of those who pretend to be loyal citizens of the United States of America. They are simply no excuse for it. It only proves we have no business telling anyone what to do.

ETA: I really don't care who you vote for, but try to make an informed decision. It's less embarrassing when you have to justify things the person you helped elect has done.

"I'm significant!! Screamed the dust speck." - Bill Watterson

"And this, too, shall pass away."
2ntnuf is offline  
post #159 of 167 (permalink) Old 10-08-2016, 09:29 PM
Member
 
Catherine602's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 6,362
Re: Raising a "future ex-wife"

Quote:
Originally Posted by tech-novelist View Post
In your hypothetical example, would I be better off with the sex tourist's offer, or without it?

Obviously the answer is "with it", because it gives me an option I wouldn't have had otherwise. That is, I would starve without it but could survive with it. If I preferred starvation, I could turn down their offer and be in the same situation I would have been without the offer, so again I would not be worse off with the offer than without it.

Thus as horrible as the situation is, it would be worse, not better, without the sex tourists, as I would not have the option to survive.

The real culprits here are not the sex tourists, but the governments of those countries, who set up the situation in the first place. Thus, you should be angry at those governments, not the sex tourists.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Manchester View Post
This is CRAZY talk! Those people should be locked away not put on a pedestal.

They are probably mentally ill and a danger to society.
It is gratifying that your outrage finally kicked in. It erupted late in view of the post I included above but lets not quibble over small things. You are outraged which is much better than twisting your mind into supporting immorality and evil. That is the type of thinking that facilitates the atrocities that are so frequently visited upon man. Keep up your outrage but look into your reading acuity and reaction time.

My magic wand would remove shame from sexuality for all! Anon Pink

Last edited by Catherine602; 10-08-2016 at 10:03 PM.
Catherine602 is offline  
post #160 of 167 (permalink) Old 10-08-2016, 09:40 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 2,696
Re: Raising a "future ex-wife"

Quote:
Told you what you can't figure out on your own.
Thank you, my day on TAM wouldn't really have been complete without my daily dose of solid mansplaining about how someone is revealing the "truth" to me.

Quote:
Not when you have all the weapons and high technology, the money with which most things are bought and sold.
You honestly believe America has all the weapons and high technology solely? Or all the money? And I'm the one who can't figure things out? Okay then.

Quote:
It's so difficult to post anything that someone will not misunderstand.
Genius must be a terrible burden.

Quote:
ETA: I really don't care who you vote for, but try to make an informed decision. It's less embarrassing when you have to justify things the person you helped elect has done.
So if you vote for someone you are then personally responsible for justifying every thing they do? At that point, no one should vote, my conscious can't take that level of responsibility for someone else.

Starstarfish is offline  
post #161 of 167 (permalink) Old 10-08-2016, 09:55 PM
Member
 
2ntnuf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: PA
Posts: 13,997
Re: Raising a "future ex-wife"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Starstarfish View Post
Thank you, my day on TAM wouldn't really have been complete without my daily dose of solid mansplaining about how someone is revealing the "truth" to me.

It's not The truth. It's Your truth. You just didn't recognize what you were posting.



You honestly believe America has all the weapons and high technology solely? Or all the money? And I'm the one who can't figure things out? Okay then.

Nope. We have higher tech than the only other superpower. Although, China, which is communist and not free, is gaining quickly on both of us. That is simply due to their lack of regulation, their type of government and the money we send to them each time we purchase something. Still want to trade with the world? Is it ethical? Is it in the best interests of the United States of America? I honestly think we are past the point of no return.



Genius must be a terrible burden.

I'll let you know when I become one. Ooh, that probably hurt you. Sorry.



So if you vote for someone you are then personally responsible for justifying every thing they do? At that point, no one should vote, my conscious can't take that level of responsibility for someone else.

If your conscience, not conscious(I expect you are awake), can't take that responsibility, then you probably shouldn't be involved in other countries issues.


"I'm significant!! Screamed the dust speck." - Bill Watterson

"And this, too, shall pass away."
2ntnuf is offline  
post #162 of 167 (permalink) Old 10-08-2016, 09:57 PM
Member
 
Red Sonja's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 683
Re: Raising a "future ex-wife"

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2ntnuf View Post
What do good people believe sex justifies? Who is good? Is it judgmental to say one is good and another is not? Are good people judgmental? Is judging people a trait of the good?

I agree with those who are so angry about being used as sex toys when they and others were children. It is heinous. How does one who never experienced or will experience these exploitations or the desire to exploit come to understand these intricacies so well?

Please, I know what good and evil are. In its simplest definition evil is that which causes non-accidental physical and/or psychological trauma to another human being. Yes I judge and yes I am capable of judgment and no I am not unique in this ability.


I have to think of something like an economic model. The rule of supply and demand seems to fit. If there is not supply, the price goes up. If there is supply aplenty, the price goes down.

If there is no demand, the price goes down. If there is no supply, the price goes up.

If there is no supply and no demand, the issue will become moot.

Because there is supply aplenty (of victims) that makes it okay to exploit them?

Red Sonja is online now  
post #163 of 167 (permalink) Old 10-08-2016, 10:01 PM
Member
 
Catherine602's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 6,362
Re: Raising a "future ex-wife"

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2ntnuf View Post
What do good people believe sex justifies? Who is good? Is it judgmental to say one is good and another is not? Are good people judgmental? Is judging people a trait of the good?

I agree with those who are so angry about being used as sex toys when they and others were children. It is heinous. How does one who never experienced or will experience these exploitations or the desire to exploit come to understand these intricacies so well?

I have to think of something like an economic model. The rule of supply and demand seems to fit. If there is not supply, the price goes up. If there is supply aplenty, the price goes down.

If there is no demand, the price goes down. If there is no supply, the price goes up.

If there is no supply and no demand, the issue will become moot.

I don't see how we can get to the last one.

I think those countries where this is legal would benefit from good jobs. What do they have to offer the world and their citizens? Do they have natural resources, inexpensive workforces that can undercut 1st and 2nd world worker pays, governments which desire to obtain taxes from the work of its citizens? Do they have corporate tax structures that make it profitable for a business to relocate there in a new high tech building built on low cost property within an area with a large willing and capable workforce?

Or, are they simply trying to get someone to offer them some funding for fighting crime?

Just some thoughts that came up.

What does this have to do with your thread topic, @tech-novelist? I haven't a clue.
Makes me very sad to read this from you @2ntnuf

My magic wand would remove shame from sexuality for all! Anon Pink
Catherine602 is offline  
post #164 of 167 (permalink) Old 10-08-2016, 10:12 PM
Member
 
2ntnuf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: PA
Posts: 13,997
Re: Raising a "future ex-wife"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Sonja View Post
Please, I know what good and evil are. In its simplest definition evil is that which causes non-accidental physical and/or psychological trauma to another human being. Yes I judge and yes I am capable of judgment and no I am not unique in this ability.


Because there is supply aplenty (of victims) that makes it okay to exploit them?

No, it doesn't. Why are there so many victims? Can you answer that? Why are there so many men who want to travel to those countries? What is the attraction? Why has this been going on for so long? Why do you think our government allows travelers to get a visa for those countries. Don't they know those things go on? Is it just a simple matter of freedom for those U.S. citizens?

What do you think is going on? Are men who can afford to travel there pigs and perverts?

The big question: Why does the United States have the responsibility or the right to change that country or any other country we disagree with? Should we go in with troops or cash? Do you think we could help them understand how immoral and unethical they are? Is it like posting in Politics and Religion?

"I'm significant!! Screamed the dust speck." - Bill Watterson

"And this, too, shall pass away."
2ntnuf is offline  
post #165 of 167 (permalink) Old 10-08-2016, 10:15 PM Thread Starter
Forum Supporter
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 5,500
Re: Raising a "future ex-wife"

Quote:
Originally Posted by wild jade View Post
The climate that sex tourism creates is not a pretty one. The value of having this choice should not be treated as an isolated transaction. It must also be weighed against the costs of having that choice. And I can tell you, the costs are very, very high. Much higher than 5 cents.
You were the one who came up with that analysis, not me.

I'm not promoting sex tourism, have never indulged in it, nor would I do so.

And what does this have to do with the original topic?

Always remember the LD motto: "Sex isn't important!!!"
tech-novelist is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Closed Thread

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on Talk About Marriage, you must first register. Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

Important! Your username will be visible to the public next to anything you post and could show up in search engines like Google. If you are concerned about anonymity, PLEASE choose a username that will not be recognizable to anyone you know.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Men Are Getting Weaker — because We’re Not Raising Men EllisRedding The Men's Clubhouse 182 09-03-2016 02:54 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome