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post #76 of 179 (permalink) Old 11-02-2016, 04:35 PM
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actually our founders didn't want career politicians. IMO, no one should be in government for more than a decade (elect offices only). Maybe judges, but that is debatable.

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Yeah... half of his first term in the US senate. So what, three whole years? Give me a break dude.
He was an Illinois Senator from 1996 - 2000 and 2002 - 2004 before his 3 years in the US Senate. That's about a decade of actual real political experience.

I don't think that political experience is the only thing that matters, but I wouldn't mind Trump's having been elected to at least the local PTA before making the jump to POTUS.
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Opposing legal immigration and claiming free market lover is inconsistent. Every year the USA admits one million people almost, legally. That's a Louisville. Or Columbus. Or Kansas City. Legally. Every year. Few of them are professional types like I was... it's not illegal immigration that's the problem dude.. it's hundreds of thousands of unskilled RELATIVES

Saint Reagan started the asylum and refugee games, then the first wave of amnesty... Then Bush opened the floodgates with h1b...

Pro free market and against corporatism? Good one.

Against regulations too?

You live in a fantasy land I am afraid, expecting money to self regulate...
I told you what positions I support, not what I think anyone is going to do. You might try to separate them. My positions are not the positions of our Masters. I'm just another plebe, seeing it how I see it. If you think that I'm of the persuasion that if we just elect the right Top Men then they'll fix it all, you're mistaken.

Opposing borders isn't a requirement for supporting free markets within your nation. Supporting deregulation doesn't mean supporting large companies, it in fact supports the small ones. Many regs choke the little guys, and give cushion to the massive corps out there. It's the worst kind of protectionism.

As for Reagan, I agree, he started this. His mistakes were great, and we're all paying for them dearly. He talked a good game.
I agree wholeheartedly with you that illegal immigration is small in comparison to the intentional demographic replacement and watering down of the labor pool that is going on through legal immigration.

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It was Trump that received the endorsements of both David Duke and the KKK. High praise indeed. He may have denounced it but birds of a feather ..



The banking industry showed us very clearly what happens when regulations are removed, not only the initial housing and economic crash but Wells Fargo just reiterated that the desire for short term profits proves that they didn't learn a thing from tanking the economy.

Freedom only works when it's paired with responsibility, without that it's just anarchy and the banks have shown total disregard for the consequences of their actions. They need regulating, not that either candidate is going to do that.
And Hillary Clinton is knowingly receiving money from the House of Saud. What does that say? Are you sure you want to assume that because a bad man supports someone, then they must be just like that bad person?

And if you think it was lack of regulation that caused the housing bubble, you are woefully ill informed on the subject.

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All this talk about voting and the election caused me to remember this...... dare I say inspired, bit of comedy, and truth telling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLPESWWPUJE

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Even if I don't get likes for it, I'm still going to say it.
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Socialism isn't a bad thing when it is democratically moderated. This country has socialism laced all through it. Social security, medicare, Medicaid, post office, fire departments, police, army, libraries, the interstate highways, state and national parks, food stamps, the WIC program for kids, and many others.

Everyone gets a vote to decide what will be socialized and then we all pay taxes to fund these things. That is democratic socialism. We have had it since the beginning of this country.
Social security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps ,and wic are socialist. The post office, police, army, public libraries, interstate highways, state and national parks are not.

The Constitution provides the limits to the scope of the federal government, not majority vote. We have not had democratic socialism for most of the history of the country.
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Yeah... half of his first term in the US senate. So what, three whole years? Give me a break dude.
Obama did not only have three years of political experience before becoming president. However, three years of being a senator is indeed much more than zero political experience. Give you a break?
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I wouldn't mind Trump's having been elected to at least the local PTA before making the jump to POTUS.
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Obama did not only have three years of political experience before becoming president. However, three years of being a senator is indeed much more than zero political experience.
As opposed to the guy who never even finished his first term, missed 314 of 1,300 roll call votes during those piddly three years and who hasn't run so much as a lemonade stand before becoming president?

Just whatever.... If you don't think political experience matters fine but to attack Trump for his "experience" like some posters have, when Obama was so wet behind the ears when he started, is incredibly hypocritical.


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All this talk about voting and the election caused me to remember this...... dare I say inspired, bit of comedy, and truth telling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk
Carlin was never more on point than in this clip.

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Just whatever.... If you don't think political experience matters fine but to attack Trump for his "experience" like some posters have, when Obama was so wet behind the ears when he started, is incredibly hypocritical.
I did no such thing as attacking Trump for not having political experience. Re-read what I wrote. Somebody commented that McCain had more political experience than Obama. That is true. I then wrote stating that McCain had more than Obama and Obama had more political experience than Trump. That's freaking all I wrote! I don't even argue that political experience is one of the most important criteria. Trump has a lot of professional experience that Obama doesn't have.
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I did no such thing as attacking Trump for not having political experience. Re-read what I wrote. Somebody commented that McCain had more political experience than Obama. That is true. I then wrote stating that McCain had more than Obama and Obama had more political experience than Trump. That's freaking all I wrote! I don't even argue that political experience is one of the most important criteria. Trump has a lot of professional experience that Obama doesn't have.
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Social security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps ,and wic are socialist. The post office, police, army, public libraries, interstate highways, state and national parks are not.

The Constitution provides the limits to the scope of the federal government, not majority vote. We have not had democratic socialism for most of the history of the country.
All these agencies are socialized. The army, police, and fire departments are not private. Nor are the parks. We all pay for them, so everyone can have use of them. That is socialism. The constitution is a living document, and it also is subject to majority vote. The constitution can be amended by a 3/4 majority vote of our representatives, or by a constitutional convention. Which has happened many times.

True, democratic socialism didn't get big till the great depression, but it was around silently before then. Libraries, public schools, the army, fire departments, things like that. But after the great depression it brought many great things that we enjoy taday.
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All these agencies are socialized. The army, police, and fire departments are not private. Nor are the parks. We all pay for them, so everyone can have use of them. That is socialism. The constitution is a living document, and it also is subject to majority vote. The constitution can be amended by a 3/4 majority vote of our representatives, or by a constitutional convention. Which has happened many times.

True, democratic socialism didn't get big till the great depression, but it was around silently before then. Libraries, public schools, the army, fire departments, things like that. But after the great depression it brought many great things that we enjoy taday.
You're one of those confused or misled people who don't see the difference between public service jobs and redistribution of wealth.

The police are paid by tax dollars. Police officers are doing work for which they are paid wages. Whether they are employees of the government or they are employees of a private corporation contracted by the government, they are nevertheless workers who are earning a paycheck. Same with military, fire fighters, librarians, park rangers, and road construction workers. All of those people are working for a paycheck. All of the goods and services paid for out of tax dollars are intended to provide services to the population at large.

Now let's contrast that to Medicaid or food stamps. Those programs are also paid for by tax dollars. The $$ is given directly to individuals as wealth redistribution. My tax $ is given to some other person for their own personal enrichment. No park visitor, crime victim, vehicle operator, or homeowner is receiving any service or product in return. This is not a paycheck for work done.

Whether or not we as a society at large want to be generous to help others is a completely different issue.

It may be true that some people get more benefit than others from these tax supported services. If you don't have a vehicle, you only get indirect benefit from the roads. If you don't visit a National Park, you've paid for something you don't use. Some of these services are insurance-ish, such as fire departments. You pay to have the emergency service there if you need it. Same with the police, though they provide a generalized benefit to the community even if you never need them to respond to your home. But that doesn't make these socialistic programs. No wealth is taken from one person for the sole direct benefit of others. Every person has the right and opportunity to go to the park, to call the fire department, to check a book out of the library.

When Joe uses food stamps to buy his bread, he is taking my earned cash and using it to put food into his mouth. That is socialism.

The Constitution is not a living document, it is a legal document with specific meanings. It means what it says, nothing more and nothing less. It is a legal contract no different than your mortgage contract or your employment contract. It is not subject to change just because you want it to mean something else. With an official, lawful amendment, yes you can change the Constitution just as you can change the terms of your mortgage and employment.
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