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post #106 of 179 (permalink) Old 11-05-2016, 05:27 PM
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I don't consider her a crook or a liar. I consider the other candidate a poor reflection of humanity.
So when she claimed over and over that there were no classified info on the private email server, and then later deleted over 30K of them claiming they were all family/friends related, were those lies or not? I think you have on very thick rose colored glasses here. What about her claiming she was dodging sniper bullets in Bosnia? Snipers don't often miss. The fact that you think she's not a liar, given that just about every politician lies, is very telling. I lean right and libertarian, but no way would I ignore my candidate's faults. As far as I'm concerned, they're all crooks and liars to some degree.

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Think trump ever lied?

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Think trump ever lied?

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There are no angels in this or any election. They've all lied about something, some worse than others. Hillary is just really incompetent at hiding her lies. Vote with your lady bits.
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I will thanks! You stay classy and refuse to vote for someone simply because she has a vagina!
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I will thanks! You stay classy and refuse to vote for someone simply because she has a vagina!
If you want me to vote for a woman, then go out to the centre square and find a woman. Any woman; deaf, blind, college drop-out, I don't care. I will vote for her. She would make a better leader than Hillary.

I'm not voting for Hillary, not because she has a vagina, but because she is corrupt, dumb, and incompetent. However, I imagine many women will vote for her because she has a vagina. I don't care about skin color or gender; I care about competence and leadership. I was right about the train wreck that Obama became, and so far, I am right about Hillary.
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Not even if she is a serial liar and a crook? What good is her "experience" if she has failed over and over again? Her experience didn't help her deal with a small situation like Benghazi, or the Russia Reset Button, or the setup of the private email server, or the erasing of the tens of thousands of email with national security info. A person could be on a post for decades, but if they have repeatedly revealed their incompetence and corruption, what good would that experience serve them at a higher post?
Liar?
Trump lies 76% according to various fact checkers
Clinton lies 25% according to the same fact checkers

"Oh but the fact checkers are biased!"

Experience in failure?
Trump has failed in more business ventures than he has succeeded. In fact, his greatest success is television right to his reality show. A TV celebrity who has failed more often than succeeded.
Clinton has succeeded in
1. Killing Osama Bin Laden
2. Kicked ass in Beijing "women's rights are human rights."
3. Rebuilt USA's prestige with foreign governments after 8 years of the dumbass GWB.
4. Children's Health Insurance Program
5. Created the office on Violence Against Women at the DOJ
6. Health care concerns of first responders
7. Health care concerns for Gulf War Veterans

I could list more.


Benghazi ...good lord, the GOP spent a year, millions of dollars and had her for intense questioning for more than 11 hours and what was the result? Bupkiss! Give it a rest!

Your guy is a douche, a liar, a narcissist, and has all the makings of the seconding coming of Hitler.

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Liar?
Trump lies 76% according to various fact checkers
Clinton lies 25% according to the same fact checkers

"Oh but the fact checkers are biased!"

Experience in failure?
Trump has failed in more business ventures than he has succeeded. In fact, his greatest success is television right to his reality show. A TV celebrity who has failed more often than succeeded.
Clinton has succeeded in
1. Killing Osama Bin Laden
2. Kicked ass in Beijing "women's rights are human rights."
3. Rebuilt USA's prestige with foreign governments after 8 years of the dumbass GWB.
4. Children's Health Insurance Program
5. Created the office on Violence Against Women at the DOJ
6. Health care concerns of first responders
7. Health care concerns for Gulf War Veterans

I could list more.


Benghazi ...good lord, the GOP spent a year, millions of dollars and had her for intense questioning for more than 11 hours and what was the result? Bupkiss! Give it a rest!

Your guy is a douche, a liar, a narcissist, and has all the makings of the seconding coming of Hitler.
I don't know whatever gave you the impression that I'm endorsing Trump. Have I not said over and over that both are clowns?

I'm sitting in front of my computer listening to music and laughing at your list of Hillary's accomplishments. I can't believe it, so now Hillary was the one who killed Osama and not SEAL Team 6. She "kicked ass in Beijing". What does that even mean? Did she give a speech? LMAO

You do know the world thinks even less of us now than eight years ago, right? You do know that, right? And you need fact checkers to tell you how to think?

"Healthcare concern for..." translates to "I care about xyz." There, instant accomplishments. You can list more? Please do.

This is madness. LOL

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Actually freedom less responsibility is not anarchy, instead it is greed. That is one of the other problems we have in the US today, many people, including many "conservatives" mistake greed for legitimate profit, which should come about as a result of a mutually beneficial exchange of goods and services. In the absence of any real competition in most major industries in this country (and the world) often most exchanges are not necessarity mutually beneficial.



This post made me think about the rise in the minimum wage.

Which, I am/was for; BUT, in my state, a few years ago, the minimum wage went up. YAY, lower income workers should have an easier time supporting themselves on a higher paycheck.

However, there seems to have been a commensurate increase in prices. A package of English muffins is now $4.79. A couple of years ago it was around $3.50. I know this because we buy them every. single. week.

Rents have gone up too.

And it all seemed to go hand in hand with the minimum wage going up.

I know, I know....there could be other reasons. But it is a very strange coincidence.

I'm thinking though that the anti-raise-the-minimum-wage folks have a point.

Companies just raise prices when they have to pay higher wages.

If, for example, the grocery store where I buy Thomas' English Muffins starts to experience a drop in sales because they have raised prices so much; they're not gonna lower prices----they're gonna let people go or cut their hours.

Although I believe in the minimum wage being decent; the funds to support it should come from there being a bit less profit at the top; not from increasing prices of everything and socking it to customers.

^^^That type of idea makes a lot of people angry. And I do understand. Example: you make $20/hour. It took you working 5 years at the grocery store to earn that. The minimum wage is raised. New employees now start at $13/hr. instead of $10/hr. Of course you're gonna think, "hey, that should make me worth $23/hr, shouldn't it."

I'm rambling a bit. Sorry, didn't mean to tj. But the point of this post was to follow on what Ynot and WonkyNinja were saying about greed.

Sometimes obvious remedies, like raising minimum wages, kind of backfire; because the higher wages trigger higher costs because the folks at the very top do not want to consider that they make a disproportionate amount of money in relation to the so-called, "little people", who are making the wheels go round every day at the store.

And I believe that the manager of the grocery store, and the CEO of the entire chain SHOULD make more. They should have much nicer cars and a beautiful home. People on the bottom shouldn't have those things.

But people on the bottom should be able to have a 1-bedroom apartment and a functioning used car. They shouldn't have to live in a roommate situation in a 1-bedroom apartment, and only have limited access to our bare bones public transit.

I don't mean to anger people; and I'm not suggesting "redistributing wealth"-----just that it ought to be realistic and fair, that's all.
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Who will win?

The same people that win every election: The politically well-connected multi-national corporations and the money-center Wall Street bankers.
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I saw him speak about a month ago in person. He looked healthier than he appears on TV. He spoke about policy for over an hour. Policy after policy. Melania speaks about well whatever Michelle Obama says, only in a foreign accent with a kick a$$ outfit on.
Melania's outfits are not revealing enough... She's a headscarf away from....

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Random thought......... Trump wins and gets a D. Wonder how that would play out.... Sure bet it would be on PPV. Can see it now..... America's First Mistress. Maybe have a g/f or new wife like Carla Bruni. Talk about tabloids LOL
He has to outdo Silvio Berlusconi...
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If you paid this much for Thomas muffins...
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Has anyone's mind been changed by this thread? It's just insulting each other basically.
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He has to outdo Silvio Berlusconi...
For once he may not underachieve, even if that's a pretty high bar to clear.
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The lack of judgement possessed by Hillary and all of those she has surrounded herself with is astounding. Breathtaking. Her maid at the house was operating the secret DoS fax machine, as well as accessing Hillary's email to print it out!!! This maid had no security clearance yet was given access to all of the important secrets of state.

Hillary and her entourage are unfit from top to bottom to be anywhere near important government information. And their lack of judgement shows they are completely unfit to be in the White House.

Hillary: "What, Putin just launched nukes at us? Where's the maid? Tell her to bring me that goddam football! Where's the butler? I need the f'n codes to the football!"
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