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post #121 of 179 (permalink) Old 11-06-2016, 09:28 PM
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This post made me think about the rise in the minimum wage.

Which, I am/was for; BUT, in my state, a few years ago, the minimum wage went up. YAY, lower income workers should have an easier time supporting themselves on a higher paycheck.

However, there seems to have been a commensurate increase in prices. A package of English muffins is now $4.79. A couple of years ago it was around $3.50. I know this because we buy them every. single. week.

Rents have gone up too.

And it all seemed to go hand in hand with the minimum wage going up.

I know, I know....there could be other reasons. But it is a very strange coincidence.

I'm thinking though that the anti-raise-the-minimum-wage folks have a point.
I'll let you in on a secret that just about every business person knows: when businesses have to deal with higher costs, they always, always, pass that on to the consumers. Always. Whether you run a lemonade stand or a multi-national corporation, that same truth applies.

Example #1: Obamacare forced companies to insure their employees. This meant thousands if not millions in government mandated healthcare coverage, so what did those affected businesses do? They slashed the hours of their workers, from full time to part time, or they laid them off outright. Those part-time workers then had to get a second part-time job, and the Obama administration interpreted that to mean that more jobs were being created and promptly took credit for "a growing economy". The supporters of Obamacare thought that it was a good idea to use the heavy hand of the law to force government mandated healthcare on everyone or fine them, but they didn't see that their jobs could be lost because of it. The healthcare insurance companies then promptly cancelled tens of millions of affordable pre-Obamacare plans and forced their customers to spend drastically more to get a nearly identical plan, but this new plan was magically in compliance with the new government mandated healthcare law. Higher premiums and deductibles for inferior healthcare coverage. Good intention, meet bad consequences.

Example #2: Fight For 15. People across the nation believe they have a RIGHT to earn a livable wage, so they came up with $15/hr. Why not $25/hr, I have no idea. How did businesses respond? They laid off their workers, raised the prices of their goods and services, or they close up shop. McDonald's has started using Kiosks to automate food orders, and like many futuristic movies, machines will fill more of the jobs that humans currently do. That means more layoffs. That hurts the local economy and the pain is distributed like wild fire.

It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this coming from a mile away. That old saying is true: the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Social justice will end up hurting this country way more than it will help.

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Has anyone's mind been changed by this thread? It's just insulting each other basically.
If we are intellectually honest and open-minded enough to examine our candidate's faults, then maybe...

If we refuse to do our due diligence and research all candidates, and let the pundits and media outlets tell us how to vote, then no.

That takes a lot of work and the typical voter don't have that kind of interest or attention span. They don't want to find patterns in a candidate's words and deeds; they'd much rather go by soundbites. It's easier to remember soundbites than hard numbers and facts.

It's a constant revolving door that starts at the City Council level. If they lose a local election, they run for another post, and on and on until they win a higher office. Then it's state rep or senator, then U.S. Congress, all the while shaking hands and making backroom deals with shady characters.

Every election involves voters going with their "gut feeling" and not facts. How many people actually know that the economy has grown at the slowest pace in the last eight years than at any other time in US history? Not many. Voters might as well lick their fingers and put it up to feel which way the wind blows. Voting is a right but most don't take it seriously.
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Hillary will win followed by 2 years of scandals, impeachment, and removal from office and enter goofball Kaine.
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Hillary will win followed by 2 years of scandals, impeachment, and removal from office and enter goofball Kaine.
Kaine - Kerry 2018
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Kaine - Kerry 2018
Kerry has more botox than brains. He was the idiot who gave us the Iranian Nuclear Deal.

How about

Kaine - Coco The Clown 2018?
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This post made me think about the rise in the minimum wage.

Which, I am/was for; BUT, in my state, a few years ago, the minimum wage went up. YAY, lower income workers should have an easier time supporting themselves on a higher paycheck.

However, there seems to have been a commensurate increase in prices. A package of English muffins is now $4.79. A couple of years ago it was around $3.50. I know this because we buy them every. single. week.

Rents have gone up too.

And it all seemed to go hand in hand with the minimum wage going up.

I know, I know....there could be other reasons. But it is a very strange coincidence.

I'm thinking though that the anti-raise-the-minimum-wage folks have a point.

Companies just raise prices when they have to pay higher wages.

If, for example, the grocery store where I buy Thomas' English Muffins starts to experience a drop in sales because they have raised prices so much; they're not gonna lower prices----they're gonna let people go or cut their hours.

Although I believe in the minimum wage being decent; the funds to support it should come from there being a bit less profit at the top; not from increasing prices of everything and socking it to customers.

^^^That type of idea makes a lot of people angry. And I do understand. Example: you make $20/hour. It took you working 5 years at the grocery store to earn that. The minimum wage is raised. New employees now start at $13/hr. instead of $10/hr. Of course you're gonna think, "hey, that should make me worth $23/hr, shouldn't it."

I'm rambling a bit. Sorry, didn't mean to tj. But the point of this post was to follow on what Ynot and WonkyNinja were saying about greed.

Sometimes obvious remedies, like raising minimum wages, kind of backfire; because the higher wages trigger higher costs because the folks at the very top do not want to consider that they make a disproportionate amount of money in relation to the so-called, "little people", who are making the wheels go round every day at the store.

And I believe that the manager of the grocery store, and the CEO of the entire chain SHOULD make more. They should have much nicer cars and a beautiful home. People on the bottom shouldn't have those things.

But people on the bottom should be able to have a 1-bedroom apartment and a functioning used car. They shouldn't have to live in a roommate situation in a 1-bedroom apartment, and only have limited access to our bare bones public transit.

I don't mean to anger people; and I'm not suggesting "redistributing wealth"-----just that it ought to be realistic and fair, that's all.
Minimum wage increases are little more than another way parties pander for votes. Wealth doesn't get redistributed. Cost of living increases that come along with increases negate any perceived gain and the only people affected are the lower and middle class who are spending money. The big guns of companies still make profit. Your muffin example, Thomas isn't even owned by an American company and the bimbo bakeries group based in Mexico controls more than 50% of the American bread/baking market. The profits don't even stay in the country.

Companies that get hurt by minimum wage laws are small companies that can't compete with the big boys. It hurts competition, it doesn't redistribute wealth and the short term financial gain by a low wage earner is wiped out by higher costs within months as companies adjust with higher pricing.

But it sounds good in campaign speeches and gets votes.

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I think the miracle would be that Trump will gracefully concede when he loses. I don't believe this will happen, he doesn't have a graceful bone in his body. This is only going to get uglier. I can only image the heights his hate spewing is going to reach ☹️
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Here is some really good read:

Clinton vs. Trump: Seven Ways Donald Trump Could Win
http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/clinto...shire-florida/

Clinton vs. Trump: 7 Ways Hillary Clinton Can Win
http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/clinto...mullin-nevada/


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The latest one, another really good read:

Clinton vs. Trump: 9 Presidential Election Outcomes That Could Happen
http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/clinto...sults-hillary/

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Kaine - Kerry 2018
Kaine/Grinch

They could be twins.
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Democracy... in theory, is governed by the people... and yet all the people get to choose is between two idiots! Yay!
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Let's have a 1976 VP ticket..... Mondale/Dole. Both still alive...

A-Every single thing that has ever happened in your life is preparing you for a moment that is yet to come.
B-We know what we are, but know not what we may be
C-Never make the person in your present pay for the sins committed by people from your past
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Democracy... in theory, is governed by the people... and yet all the people get to choose is between two idiots! Yay!
It's because we are not, never were, and have never been intended to be a democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic.

Democracy is mob rule. It is naturally given to tyranny, and is completely unable to avoid such developments when it is implemented in an even remotely diverse society. The various tribes inevitable focus on their own in-group preference, and attempt to force their will on all competing tribes.

This is one of the great illnesses our society faces: the belief that we are a Democracy, that we were a Democracy, that we should be a Democracy, and that somehow Democracy is a good thing. It is a sickness. Sadly, I don't see any cure that could be implemented.
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