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Re: Was this an anti-woman anti-foreigner vote?

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You don't get to absolve yourself of the positions of your candidate just because you wanted something else out of him.

Trump made it clear what he stood for. If you voted for him to repeal the ACA, but patted yourself on the back because he doesn't really believe all of that spiteful rhetoric he spewed on the campaign trail, or turned a blind eye, then you get partial blame for whatever comes from that decision.

It doesn't make you a racist. It absolutely makes you complicit in racism.

This gets to the heart of what set this election apart form virtually all others. There is always a certain amount of "Voting for the lesser of two evils", but setting that aside this time, taken on solely his own merits, if someone like Trump showed up here on TAM, complaining about his marriage, he'd be run out on a rail. Or if a woman showed up here with a husband like Trump, she'd be told to run, not walk...

Yet there are people trying to defend him here...on his own merits.


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There is a huge disconnect in the "People wanted change", "New direction" idea and what actually happened. Yes, the unconventional candidate won. Congress remained virtually unchanged with the democrats making small gains, and virtually every establishment incumbent on both sides was reelected. One of these things is not like the other...either there was some mandate for change, and the voters are woefully uninformed about how our government works and think that the President can change things up while leaving congress virtually untouched. Remember, Trump was the anti republican establishment candidate, so voting for him to repudiate the republican establishment, yet reelecting virtually every republican establishment congressman makes no sense. The other possibility, and the one I think more likely is there was no broad mandate for change, just a referendum against Hillary Clinton, with a bit of the cult of personality effect thrown in.
I think the rate hikes bothered people. The senate candidate in my state won because he hammered on the rate hikes under Obamacare. It worked.

I don't think people realize what they are going to be giving up, though. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

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You don't get to absolve yourself of the positions of your candidate just because you wanted something else out of him.

Trump made it clear what he stood for. If you voted for him to repeal the ACA, but patted yourself on the back because he doesn't really believe all of that spiteful rhetoric he spewed on the campaign trail, or turned a blind eye, then you get partial blame for whatever comes from that decision.

It doesn't make you a racist. It absolutely makes you complicit in racism.
First off, if you voted for Trump then yes, you do have some responsibility in whatever comes from that, no one is saying that. Only time will tell.

Your last statement is a crock of poop. Simply put, people weighed the pros and cons of each candidate. If someone's pros for Trump / against HRC outweighed the cons, so be it. It you want to claim that makes them an accomplice to racism, that is your opinion, so be it .... I would love to hear exactly who I am racist against
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This gets to the heart of what set this election apart form virtually all others. There is always a certain amount of "Voting for the lesser of two evils", but setting that aside this time, taken on solely his own merits, if someone like Trump showed up here on TAM, complaining about his marriage, he'd be run out on a rail. Or if a woman showed up here with a husband like Trump, she'd be told to run, not walk...

Yet there are people trying to defend him here...on his own merits.
And the one time Hillary said something as off the cuff as DT did regularly, with her "deplorable" comment, she paid dearly.

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Your last statement is a crock of poop. Simply put, people weighed the pros and cons of each candidate. If someone's pros for Trump / against HRC outweighed the cons, so be it. It you want to claim that makes them an accomplice to racism, that is your opinion, so be it .... I would love to hear exactly who I am racist against
I expressly said that it doesn't make you racist. It means that you weighed your self interests and were OK accepting whatever racism Trump brought to the ticket as the price of admission for obtaining them. You might be a great guy who hasn't got a racist bone in his body - but the man you helped elect cannot say the same, and you decided that was an acceptable trade.
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This gets to the heart of what set this election apart form virtually all others. There is always a certain amount of "Voting for the lesser of two evils", but setting that aside this time, taken on solely his own merits, if someone like Trump showed up here on TAM, complaining about his marriage, he'd be run out on a rail. Or if a woman showed up here with a husband like Trump, she'd be told to run, not walk...

Yet there are people trying to defend him here...on his own merits.
Exactly. That's the part that I understand some of the conservatives here don't see. There is a sadness on the left from the election of this man that goes way, way beyond partisan politics. This election was different. This candidate, even if qualified for the job, is not a good human being. I wouldn't want to share a beer with him. I wouldn't want to be caught dead in the same room with him.

I have respected, if disagreed sometimes, with Ronald Reagan (for whom I voted), Bush I (for whom I voted), and Bush II. I have nothing bad to say about their character as human beings. I simply cannot say the same about this man.
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I don't believe Donald Trump is a racist. I think it's liberal propaganda.

He hired the first (black) woman in history to build a skyscraper.

That's not something a racist does.

Funny how he has been in the public eye all these years but not until
he runs for office do the liberals cry racism.
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Exactly. That's the part that I understand some of the conservatives here don't see. There is a sadness on the left from the election of this man that goes way, way beyond partisan politics. This election was different. This candidate, even if qualified for the job, is not a good human being. I wouldn't want to share a beer with him. I wouldn't want to be caught dead in the same room with him.

I have respected, if disagreed sometimes, with Ronald Reagan (for whom I voted), Bush I (for whom I voted), and Bush II. I have nothing bad to say about their character as human beings. I simply cannot say the same about this man.
HRC was fired from her first job as an aid to democratic senator for her lack of character and ethics.

She down right cheated poor Bernie out of the nomination.

She cheated during the debate process.

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I expressly said that it doesn't make you racist. It means that you weighed your self interests and were OK accepting whatever racism Trump brought to the ticket as the price of admission for obtaining them. You might be a great guy who hasn't got a racist bone in his body - but the man you helped elect cannot say the same, and you decided that was an acceptable trade.
You understand some people who voted for Hillary felt the same way about her, right? We compromised a lot to vote for the person we thought the lesser of two evils.

Geez, there were not any perfect candidates.

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I don't believe Donald Trump is a racist. I think it's liberal propaganda.

He hired the first (black) woman in history to build a skyscraper.

That's not something a racist does.

Funny how he has been in the public eye all these years but not until
he runs for office do the liberals cry racism.
we didn't have to cry it. he gave many examples:

“He’s a Mexican,” Trump told CNN of Curiel. “We’re building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings — rulings that people can’t even believe.”

Curiel, it should be noted, is an American citizen who was born in Indiana. And as a prosecutor in the late 1990s, he went after Mexican drug cartels, making him a target for assassination by a Tijuana drug lord.

Even members of Trump’s own party slammed the racist remarks.

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HRC was fired from her first job as an aid to democratic senator for her lack of character and ethics.
She was a bad choice, and it was not shocking she lost. She controlled her way to the nomination. That is going to yield a weak candidate.

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HRC was fired from her first job as an aid to democratic senator for her lack of character and ethics.
Which say precisely nothing about Trump's own merits.

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I don't believe Donald Trump is a racist. I think it's liberal propaganda.

He hired the first (black) woman in history to build a skyscraper.
Barbara Res has to be the whitest black woman I've ever seen

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Lucky for us the Department of Justice had a Tardis built for Hillary to go back to 1973 and file a case against D.T. for discriminating against black tenants. Just for starters.
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She was a bad choice, and it was not shocking she lost. She controlled her way to the nomination. That is going to yield a weak candidate.
Agreed

Anyone else would have destroyed Trump
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You understand some people who voted for Hillary felt the same way about her, right? We compromised a lot to vote for the person we thought the lesser of two evils.

Geez, there were not any perfect candidates.
In the interest of fairness on my part, she does have her share of problems with standing on her own merits too.

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