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Oh, I know what Trump said.

And I know what Bill did.

And that is where I have the problem with Hillary and her partisan and partial morality.
Okay well here's a difference that may has escaped a nonAmerican.

1. Trump is going to be our next President. Bill was a private citizen.

2. Neither Trump nor Bill were tried or convicted for sexual assault though both had several women publicly accuse them. So I'm not sure how you can know what either did. You can only know what their accusers have accused them of.


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Oh, I know what Trump said.

And I know what Bill did.

And that is where I have the problem with Hillary and her partisan and partial morality.
For how long are you going to excuse what Trump said and did because of what Bill did? It makes no sense. My children learned by age five that two wrongs don't make a right.
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Yes, I missed it, but you know what? It will take a lot more than one guy's opinion to overturn established law that had already been ruled constitutional by the SCOTUS.
And when Trump's SCOTUS nominees are sworn in, prepare for those decisions to be challenged and Roe v Wade to be chipped away until it is gone. We will return to abortion only for very wealthy women who attempt suicide. Which was how abortion was doled out in the 40's -60's

I had an aunt who did back ally abortions in the 30's until she killed a dear friend with a botched abortion.

I really hate it when anyone minimizes the danger and risk women faced for decades and act as if that won't happen. Look at Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and several other states in which they passed idiot laws designed to impede legal and safe abortions, mandatory waiting periods, medically unnecessary ultrasounds, zoning restrictions and certification restriction on women's health clinics!

There was a story the other day about a woman on Medicare who had a miscarriage but the hospital was a catholic hospital so they refused the D&C to evacuate the dead fetus. She had to go to an abortion clinic, who then made her watch an ultrasound of her dead fetus, sit through counseling on adoption alternatives and information on BC, wait 36 hours and then come back for the D&C. That's our idiot laws governing a woman's uterus tighter than they govern assault rifles!

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I don't see Trump as a hard right leaning guy, but a RINO who could have run on either ticket if he disavowed certain stances and claim he "evolved". He donated to both parties. Remember that Bush Sr. said that Souter disappointed him because he (Souter) wasn't conservative enough and voted with the liberal justices, so anything can happen. With 56 million abortions since Roe v Wade, you can rest easy, as the back alley abortions from the times of your aunt will not be necessary. There have been plenty of unsafe abortions; I wonder if you have heard of those?
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Okay well here's a difference that may has escaped a nonAmerican.

1. Trump is going to be our next President. Bill was a private citizen.

2. Neither Trump nor Bill were tried or convicted for sexual assault though both had several women publicly accuse them. So I'm not sure how you can know what either did. You can only know what their accusers have accused them of.
Hillary had already lined up a White House job for Bill.

And Bill Clinton's official name is still President Clinton.

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For how long are you going to excuse what Trump said and did because of what Bill did? It makes no sense. My children learned by age five that two wrongs don't make a right.
I am not excusing what Trump said.

However, I am not excusing what Bill did.

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This was not a win for Trump. It was a loss for Hillary.
Absolutely wrong.

It was a stunning win for Trump.
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It was an anti-career politician anti-status quo vote. That's why Trump won the Republican primary. That's why he won the general election.

This is a Brexit situation. The people who voted him in are going to be hurt the most if he does what he said would.

The other interesting thing is that Trump was a pro-choice, pro-universal healthcare, middle of the road Democrat for most of his life. That's his natural position.


Agree with the first and third line. @Anon Pink need not be worried about Trump's views on wanting to ban abortion. He's a chameleon.
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I think this election has been a cornucopia of "anti's", anti-women president, anti-illegal aliens, anti-Muslim, anti foreign entanglements, but most of all anti-establishment.....it's sad when fear and ignorance rules the day. Presidents come and go........but my biggest concern and should be with all Americans is that he may have up to three nominations to the Supreme Court and that may have the most devastating impact to women right to their bodies, and minorities for years to come.
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I think this election has been a cornucopia of "anti's", anti-women president, anti-illegal aliens, anti-Muslim, anti foreign entanglements, but most of all anti-establishment.....it's sad when fear and ignorance rules the day. Presidents come and go........but my biggest concern and should be with all Americans is that he may have up to three nominations to the Supreme Court and that may have the most devastating impact to women right to their bodies, and minorities for years to come.
The anti-establishment part I have no issue with.

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All I know is that I've lost all faith in humanity.

I hope he is convicted for his crimes come December. But no doubt he'll skate through like he always does. Sigh.
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Ahahahaha! So the evil who is more honest gets voted over the evil who is less honest!

Hillary herself is a racist elitist bigot but she's always been more PC about it. I share no allegiance to the US but I had always hoped Trump would win, as it sends the world a message that I always wanted them to hear, that humanity have not evolved much from the 20th century, progressiveness is a lie, and denial can only go so far. Trump is also a rallying call for white nationalists worldwide to come out of the closet where the rest of us non-white folks can see. Already it's happening in your schools, on your streets. Soon in ours, and that's exactly what I want for the world, as it has to see this.

Was talking to one of my regular clients today who was scheduled to travel to the U.S. for a business trip, but as a Muslim, he now has serious concerns lol
Watch out! Say goodbye to waterboarding we will soon have sanctioned torture on all "subhumans"!

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Absolutely wrong.

It was a stunning win for Trump.
And an enormous loss for civility for our nation.

I'm not being hyperbolic here. For the first time in my adult life, I'm embarrassed by the outcome of a presidential election - not because a Republican won. I could have supported a Mitt Romney or a John McCain, or even (gulp) come to grips with a Ted Cruz as POTUS. Men whom I could disagree with but still respect.

Yesterday I learned things about my fellow Americans that I did not until now fully realize. I did not know how little my countrymen cared about basic human decency, and I am saddened. I learned that the tactics used by 3rd graders on the playground which we try to control in our children can actually win you an election. I learned that making fun of a handicapped reporter is now an act that must by definition be considered presidential. I learned that objectifying women, which so many on this very forum have worked so hard against, is a badge of honor and not a liability.

I don't put any of the blame for this on Trump. I put it squarely on the shoulders of the electorate that chose to either support it or look the other way.
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And an enormous loss for civility for our nation.

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DT is no worse than BO or HRC from a civility perspective. BO and HRC just thinly veil it by pandering to the 'oppressed' through political correctness.
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DT is no worse than BO or HRC from a civility perspective. BO and HRC just thinly veil it by pandering to the 'oppressed' through political correctness.
You know, I don't care who's "worse". We put a man in the White House that I would be sorely tempted to punch in the face were we to meet in person, around whom I would fear for my daughter's well being. That you consider HRC just as bad doesn't absolve the American electorate of the blame of giving us a Hobson's choice for POTUS.
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