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Re: Was this an anti-woman anti-foreigner vote?

We all see this through our own lenses. Some voters WERE motivated by racism, etc. some were motivated by hatred of Hillary. Some legitimately believed Trump could do the job.

People sensitive to any of those topics will largely believe those topics to be the main driving factor.

I was listening to NPR on the way in to work this morning, and one guest flat out declared that anyone who voted for Trump WAS a racist, full stop. The interviewer almost choked on his latte and wrapped the segment. She was viewing it thru a racial lens, which to her credit she fully disclosed at the beginning of the interview.

Other man on the street type interviews revealed a million different factors in play. Oil workers in Texas concerned for their jobs and the prosperity of their towns for instance.


On the other side, Hillary voters all thought their issues were the paramount force in the election. Qualifications, first female pres and associated feminist issues, etc.

If you listen to the right people, it's easy to believe that it was a racist, anti woman vote, or an anti elite insider vote.

I think in reality it just reflects the standard two party makeup of huge numbers of single-issue voters going to the polls for their "thing" rather than their candidate.
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Having lived in the rust belt for over three decades I don't need Trump's election as a talisman of racism, divisiveness, and so on. I can see it.

I just wish Trump supporters the best of luck in not having their expectations squelched when he doesn't deliver, much like everyone else before him.

We survived the pretend liberalism of 1992-2000, the rigid ideology and misrepresentations of 2000-2008, the naivette of 2008-2016, so we should be fine.
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All I know is that I've lost all faith in humanity.

I hope he is convicted for his crimes come December. But no doubt he'll skate through like he always does. Sigh.
Excuse me? Which "he" is charged with crimes?

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Having lived in the rust belt for over three decades I don't need Trump's election as a talisman of racism, divisiveness, and so on. I can see it.

I just wish Trump supporters the best of luck in not having their expectations squelched when he doesn't deliver, much like everyone else before him.

We survived the pretend liberalism of 1992-2000, the rigid ideology and misrepresentations of 2000-2008, the naivette of 2008-2016, so we should be fine.
That's just it. Despite winning the electoral college, he lost the popular vote, the establishment is still...established in the house and sentate. There was very little turnover, and certainly nothing even approaching an antiestablishment wave. He was an outsider champion for many people, but not the majority. He was not, and by extension, his voters were not given any kind of mandate, nor the tools necessary to bring much of any of what they actually want to fruition. I have a feeling that in a few years time, there will be a large number of people realizing they were sold a bill of goods that most people didn't actually want.

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So you missed the interview in which he said he thought not only should abortion be outlawed but women who seek abortions should be punished?
This is his 'official' statement on it.

"If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed. Like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions."
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All I know is that I've lost all faith in humanity.

I hope he is convicted for his crimes come December. But no doubt he'll skate through like he always does. Sigh.
What crimes?
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What crimes?
Accusations is probably the better word. He has about 75 outstanding lawsuits as of yesterday. Some of them may get deferred until after his term in office.

http://www.nationallawjournal.com/ho...20161009123950

'On Oct. 20, Trump attorney Daniel Petrocelli at O'Melveny & Myers filed a motion to exclude Trump's statements on the campaign trail and any references to his "character or controversial behavior."'

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Excuse me? Which "he" is charged with crimes?
Trump. Are you unaware that he will be facing criminal charges in December?
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What crimes?
Rape of a 13 yr old girl. For starters.
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Rape of a 13 yr old girl. For starters.
Um, that one was dropped.

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Agree with the first and third line. @Anon Pink need not be worried about Trump's views on wanting to ban abortion. He's a chameleon.
That's what I hope too. It's horrifying to hope the POTUS is such a pathological liar. We all know politicians will say whatever they need to in order to be elected. But generally, they are aware they ought not do a 180 on their campaign platform positions. With Trump and the way he lies I'm hoping he continues his trend to say whatever you want to hear while doing whatever the hell he wants, and then calling you a liar for pointing out his lies.

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Um, that one was dropped.
Yup. Just found out. Sigh.

Hopefully he can use his impressive bullying skills for good instead of evil. But I doubt it.
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Rape of a 13 yr old girl. For starters.
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The woman abruptly dropped her lawsuit last week, leading to plenty of speculation about what happened. Some even suggested Trump may have paid her off to keep quiet.

But The Daily Mail has apparently obtained evidence that the lawsuit was scrapped because her allegations against Trump did not hold up under scrutiny:

But DailyMail.com has learned that the real reason the suit was dropped is because the claims were simply NOT true.

The woman first sued Trump and Jeffrey Epstein under the name Katie Johnson - a name we know not to be her real identity - on April 26 in California federal court and filed an amended complaint in New York federal court in October, claiming she was subject to rape, criminal sexual acts, assault, battery and false imprisonment.

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A source with knowledge of the controversial case told DailyMail.com: “Katie Johnson's account had been believable and compelling right up until the last minute.”

But new information emerged that suggested she had not been telling the truth.

“Ultimately it was discovered that Donald Trump's name had been inserted into this, he was not involved whatsoever. After that she had no credibility.”

Relevant court papers “offered no corroborative evidence that her claims were true,” according to the report.

When the claims first surfaced in the lawsuit, filed in civil court in April, Trump’s attorneys dismissed the allegations as a “hoax” intended to harm Trump politically. The controversial child rape allegation garnered some media attention.
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This is his 'official' statement on it.

"If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed. Like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Jpoecf0xY

Matthews had to hold his feet to the fire so Trump would stop equivocating but eventually, he got there.

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Yup. Just found out. Sigh.

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So you are "Sighing" b/c he did not rape a 13yr old girl
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