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Re: Was this an anti-woman anti-foreigner vote?

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So you are "Sighing" b/c he did not rape a 13yr old girl
Dropping the charges doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I'm sighing because he will never be held accountable for anything.

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Unfortunately, by running a divisive campaign, he deserves no support right off the bat. If he manages not to screw things up more than they are now, he can earn some support.

But he set the table. He's responsible for the level of animus that we have now. He has to figure out how to pull things together if he wants a modicum of respect and support.

I'm reminded of how even highly placed republicans like Mitch McConnel treated BO when he became POTUS. It wasn't with respect or support. So following that precedent I see no reason why Trump deserves any either. What comes around goes around.
BO got about as much support from the Republicans after election as Bush (W) did from the Democrats when he was elected. Let's not forget that this has been going on for a long time.
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What crimes?

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Rape of a 13 yr old girl. For starters.
That was a civil law suit, not criminal. She dropped the case.
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Dropping the charges doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I'm sighing because he will never be held accountable for anything.
Well, according to at least what was written about it, it was actually shown to be a fabrication.
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Was this an anti-woman anti-foreigner vote?

Those were civil suits not criminal charges.

By the way a sitting president is not shielded from civil suits from their action unrelated to their presidency. This was decided during the Clinton years.

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That was a civil law suit, not criminal. She dropped the case.
Okay. Sorry. I'm not a lawyer or anything. Rape to my mind is a criminal charge. Or should be.

And that it was dropped doesn't mean it didn't happen. I mean, sure, maybe it was a false charge. But maybe also his bullying of her caused her to drop it.

Reality is that rape and sexual assault charges are frequently dropped and dismissed because the women can't take the pressure and humiliation of it all. And so it takes dozens of them before anyone even tries to listen. I'm thinking of Bill Cosby, of course.
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sorry you can't handle a simple analogy. You can't stand Trump, I get that and I get why. however, your accusations are exact moral equivalents of the BS the average working white guy has had to put up with for 8 years. Just shows me what your true character is...
No, they're not. You and your ilk keep making those accusations and yet not once have any of you documented how racist Obama is. By virtue of him not being a white man you assume he is anti white and that's an opinion worthy of the KKK.

Can you provide a link that contains Obama quotes in which he denigrates white men?

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Well, according to at least what was written about it, it was actually shown to be a fabrication.
That depends on who you talk to. But it's not like he hasn't been skating on charges for most of his life. Most of them white collar, but he's also made it a point of pride to brag about his sexual assault of women.
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Okay. Sorry. I'm not a lawyer or anything. Rape to my mind is a criminal charge. Or should be.
Yes, rape is a crime. But there was no physical evidence or witnesses. So there was no way for her to prove a crime that she claimed happened 20 or more years ago.
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And that it was dropped doesn't mean it didn't happen. I mean, sure, maybe it was a false charge. But maybe also his bullying of her caused her to drop it.
Apparently her supporters, those paying her legal bills, dropped their support because they found out that she was fabricating the story.
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Reality is that rape and sexual assault charges are frequently dropped and dismissed because the women can't take the pressure and humiliation of it all. And so it takes dozens of them before anyone even tries to listen. I'm thinking of Bill Cosby, of course.
This is all true. But she had support and people shielding her. At first she said that she was being bullied even though she was not using her real name and staying anonymous. But then her supporters came out and said that they no longer believe her and think she fabricated the story. And these are supporters who really wanted to cause Trump problems. So I tend to believe them.

False rape reports/claims are a terrible thing. It's hard enough to prove it when rape does happen. False claims only cause more problems for real victims of rape.
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BO got about as much support from the Republicans after election as Bush (W) did from the Democrats when he was elected. Let's not forget that this has been going on for a long time.
Wrong.

It started with Bush 1st when Clinton beat him. Clinton managed to get things done until his sex scandal broke and at that point no republican would agree to anything Clinton wanted. Bush 2nd did not face congressional opposition mostly due to 9/11. But when BO, a black man (oh horror of horrors) came to power, he had only two years of congressional support before midterms switched the majority and Mitch MccConnel promised no republican would pass anything with Obama's name on it.

I still laugh at how Obama care started as Romney care and because it was coming from the democrats the very plan governor Romney introduced and passed now became socialism and a death knell to medical institutions, death panels of the elderly and terminal, and unconstitutional.


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Apparently her supporters, those paying her legal bills, dropped their support because they found out that she was fabricating the story.
Do you have a link? My understanding is that she dropped the charges, but is not recanting.

And of course there's no corroborating evidence. It happened a couple of decades ago.

I dunno. Just because people don't want to go to bat over something that probably can't win doesn't mean that justice is being served. In any way. Reality is that if she really wanted to press charges, she ought to have done it back in 1994.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that false rape claims are okay. And if she was actually lying, well it's a good thing that the charges were dropped. And she herself could be charged. However, all too often it is automatically assumed that rape charges are false particularly when they are about events that happened so long ago. Again, Bill Cosby is a very public example of this.

And it's not like she is the only one who is making this kind of claim about Trump. And in fact, he brags about it. Oh, sorry. "Locker room talk".
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Rape of a 13 yr old girl. For starters.
Sorry, he is not under indictment or investigation. That was a civil suit that she has dropped, again: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...dropped-230770

The former candidate who is under investigation by the FBI is Mrs. Bill Clinton.

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To some it was an anti Muslim anti Mexican vote. To others it was a police action on the uterus. But to most, it was an I hate Hilary more vote.

By no means, can we extrapolate that Trump's platform was voted in. Hilary was voted out.
Yes, Hilliary was voted out. I would put the number who did not vote for Trump but voted against Billary at about 30 percent of Trump voters. The other 70%? They loved his platform.

You are "STILL" making the same mistake that pollsters, CNN, CNBC, CBS, ABC, think tanks and commentators made. Trump is a movement Hillary was a bowel movement.

I realize when a women says, NO!............ It means No.

I know you are touchy and are set in your opinions and I will fail to change your mind, but you are immature in your thinking. While your body is full grown, your mind is locked in cement.

Your absolutist statement highlighted above, is one of the reasons we have no reason in politics. Facts mean nothing, Emotions, Ego and preconceived ideas overcome rationality; common sense and "What is good for the Country", gets trashed.

The "Movement" is fed up with the status quo, the special interest influence and the corruption in the D.C. Trump is the face of the latest "Anti-Status Quo".

Make America Great Again works for me and millions of "other" deplorables .

Bring Jobs back works for me. Reduce regulations, red tape, high taxes, excess bureauocracy and Obama Care regs on business, works for me.

Get better trade deals works for me.

Repeal "The Non Affordable Act" and replace it with one that works [better], works for me.

Building a fence and keeping drug cartels and Cocaine/Heroin mules out of the country, works for me.

The Rule of Law for everyone, {Clintons, Comey, L.Lynch, E.Holder, J.Kerry} works for me. Sanctuary Cities openly flaunting the laws of the land does not belong in a nation of laws.

Bringing back the trillions of overseas dollars held by Multi National Corps., works for me.

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Do you have a link? My understanding is that she dropped the charges, but is not recanting.

And of course there's no corroborating evidence. It happened a couple of decades ago.

I dunno. Just because people don't want to go to bat over something that probably can't win doesn't mean that justice is being served. In any way. Reality is that if she really wanted to press charges, she ought to have done it back in 1994.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that false rape claims are okay. And if she was actually lying, well it's a good thing that the charges were dropped. And she herself could be charged. However, all too often it is automatically assumed that rape charges are false particularly when they are about events that happened so long ago. Again, Bill Cosby is a very public example of this.
The problem is that we have no way of knowing if her allegations are fabricated or not.

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And it's not like she is the only one who is making this kind of claim about Trump. And in fact, he brags about it. Oh, sorry. "Locker room talk".
There is a difference between what Trump said on that tape and what that girl claims. He did not brag about tying underaged girls to a bed and raping them. That’s a far cry from what he said on the tape. Not that I find what he said on the tape ok either.

Here is one article.


Donald Trump rape accuser Katie Johnson drops her case | Daily Mail Online
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No. Not at all. It was an anti-Hillary Clinton vote.

A vote against the Clinton Foundation a vote against the Billary construct and all the bad stuff it has done down through the years.
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