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There is a difference between what Trump said on that tape and what that girl claims. He did not brag about tying underaged girls to a bed and raping them. That’s a far cry from what he said on the tape.
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The problem is that we have no way of knowing if her allegations are fabricated or not.


There is a difference between what Trump said on that tape and what that girl claims. He did not brag about tying underaged girls to a bed and raping them. Thatís a far cry from what he said on the tape. Not that I find what he said on the tape ok either.

Here is one article.


Donald Trump rape accuser Katie Johnson drops her case | Daily Mail Online

Yes, I saw that article. But I really don't see how it establishes that her story is fabricated?

And no, Trump definitely did not brag about raping her. Indeed he was quick to deny it and call it heinous.
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Dropping the charges doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I'm sighing because he will never be held accountable for anything.
Just one question...

Do you hold Hilary to this standard?
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Just one question...

Do you hold Hilary to this standard?
It's funny how every conversation about Trump has to be about Hillary. Why is that, I wonder?

Yes, I think it would be nice if the justice system actually helped to achieve justice from time to time.
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It doesn't

Sometimes you just have to serve it yourself
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It doesn't

Sometimes you just have to serve it yourself

I really want to "like" your post. But I'm also troubled by the vigilante mentality ...
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Haha almost got you to the dark side there...

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It's funny how every conversation about Trump has to be about Hillary. Why is that, I wonder?

Yes, I think it would be nice if the justice system actually helped to achieve justice from time to time.
Just wondering if this is merely partisan rhetoric, ie "The <other team> is evil and must be brought down!" vs some genuine position you hold.

Hilary is in fact, an excellent opportunity to see if you hold both <teams> to the same standard, or if you lower it based on your preference for who holds political office.

Take me for example: I highly doubt such accusations unless they are accompanied by some sort of credible evidence of guilt. When evidence of wrongdoing is provided, then it becomes incumbent upon the accused to prove that the evidence is wrong, to provide additional exculpatory evidence, or otherwise display that it is not reasonable to find them guilty.

So in this case, I would not believe the accusation (but acknowledge it may warrant a preliminary investigation). Now as it turns out, this case is A) a civil case--so the accuser is only seeking money, and is not seeking prosecution B) without evidence C) was dismissed because the woman lied on the filing in what seems to be an attempt to avoid paying court fees, D) was re-filed in a completely different part of the country, E) was willingly withdrawn, indicating that she does not have a strong case.

I'm trying to get a better feel for how you are reasoning your position here WJ.
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Yes, I saw that article. But I really don't see how it establishes that her story is fabricated?

And no, Trump definitely did not brag about raping her. Indeed he was quick to deny it and call it heinous.
It does not establish that the story was fabricated. It does say that no one seems to believe her now.

What I got out of the article is that there is not even any proof that Trump was at the party where the alleged rape took place. She claims to have figured out who the man was more than a decade after the incident. It's a sad case. We have no idea if it's true or not. It sounds like she was indeed a victim of that child molester guy (forget his name).

I'm not sticking up for Trump. I'm only stating what I've read. I have no idea what to think about this particular case.

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Arghhhh!

By starting this thread you have convinced me that you like putting spiders in a jar and then shaking it.

You must get joy at watching them fight to the death.

Then again, it keeps nasty politics out of other threads.........most of the time!
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Just wondering if this is merely partisan rhetoric, ie "The <other team> is evil and must be brought down!" vs some genuine position you hold.

Hilary is in fact, an excellent opportunity to see if you hold both <teams> to the same standard, or if you lower it based on your preference for who holds political office.

Take me for example: I highly doubt such accusations unless they are accompanied by some sort of credible evidence of guilt. When evidence of wrongdoing is provided, then it becomes incumbent upon the accused to prove that the evidence is wrong, to provide additional exculpatory evidence, or otherwise display that it is not reasonable to find them guilty.

So in this case, I would not believe the accusation (but acknowledge it may warrant a preliminary investigation). Now as it turns out, this case is A) a civil case--so the accuser is only seeking money, and is not seeking prosecution B) without evidence C) was dismissed because the woman lied on the filing in what seems to be an attempt to avoid paying court fees, D) was re-filed in a completely different part of the country, E) was willingly withdrawn, indicating that she does not have a strong case.

I'm trying to get a better feel for how you are reasoning your position here WJ.
When I made my point, I simply didn't know that those charges had been dropped. Last I'd heard, Trump was still scheduled to face those accusations in court and his guilt or innocence was an open question. So on that particular "crime", there really isn't a whole lot more to be said. I was just merely pointing out that dropping charges isn't the same as recanting, and doesn't necessarily make her guilty of making false claims. She gets to be presumed innocent too.

This particular case aside, my original point was simply that Trump is a someone who faces a whole lot of charges, and has spent an awful lot of time in court fighting a variety of accusations. Most have been white collar type of crimes, but they are crimes nonetheless.

In general, I think it fair to think that someone who spends that much time in court, has a constant stream of charges levied against him over decades, and is a well-known liar ... well, let me just say, he may be innocent of this or that particular charge, but he's still not someone that I would want running my country.

To be clear, I never said that I did want Hillary running my country.
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When I made my point, I simply didn't know that those charges had been dropped. Last I'd heard, Trump was still scheduled to face those accusations in court and his guilt or innocence was an open question. So on that particular "crime", there really isn't a whole lot more to be said. I was just merely pointing out that dropping charges isn't the same as recanting, and doesn't necessarily make her guilty of making false claims. She gets to be presumed innocent too.

This particular case aside, my original point was simply that Trump is a someone who faces a whole lot of charges, and has spent an awful lot of time in court fighting a variety of accusations. Most have been white collar type of crimes, but they are crimes nonetheless.

In general, I think it fair to think that someone who spends that much time in court, has a constant stream of charges levied against him over decades, and is a well-known liar ... well, let me just say, he may be innocent of this or that particular charge, but he's still not someone that I would want running my country.

To be clear, I never said that I did want Hillary running my country.
Oh, I'm not accusing you of clinging to them WJ, it was more of me asking if this is a consistent stance (ie charges haven't been made, but you're not necessarily innocent) that you hold regardless of political party. I'm not accusing you of being a Hilary supporter (even if you are, it wouldn't matter as far as the merits of this discourse), but just curious about consistency here.

I'll agree that it is fair to be circumspect about a person who has been involved in thousands of cases of litigation. I think very little was criminal (but don't know) and that the vast majority was civil in nature (particularly contractual) which makes it seem more like business as usual to me, but I'm used to running my own business and being threatened with litigation regularly. I've got several such instances ongoing myself, as many people don't want to pay up when the job is done.
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No, they're not. You and your ilk keep making those accusations and yet not once have any of you documented how racist Obama is. By virtue of him not being a white man you assume he is anti white and that's an opinion worthy of the KKK.

Can you provide a link that contains Obama quotes in which he denigrates white men?
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Wrong.

It started with Bush 1st when Clinton beat him. Clinton managed to get things done until his sex scandal broke and at that point no republican would agree to anything Clinton wanted. Bush 2nd did not face congressional opposition mostly due to 9/11. But when BO, a black man (oh horror of horrors) came to power, he had only two years of congressional support before midterms switched the majority and Mitch MccConnel promised no republican would pass anything with Obama's name on it.

I still laugh at how Obama care started as Romney care and because it was coming from the democrats the very plan governor Romney introduced and passed now became socialism and a death knell to medical institutions, death panels of the elderly and terminal, and unconstitutional.
Ok so Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid are the same person with different clothes. Lets not pretend this is a one sided problem.

The only things that Romney Care and Obama Care have in common are

You pay a tax or penalty if you don't buy something.
They both cost much much more than anyone estimated.

Other than that they had little in common.

Romney Care was the single biggest expense item in the Massachusetts budget. It won him no respect in his state. The switch to Obamacare cost the state even more. Unfortunately MA was stupid enough to hire the same website designer that the feds did. Not only did MA pay for something that did not work and went months past the launch date, they had to pay another firm to fix it and decided to provide free healthcare for anyone that could not get on the MA exchanges until it was fixed. It went on and on cost MA a fortune.

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Oh, I'm not accusing you of clinging to them WJ, it was more of me asking if this is a consistent stance (ie charges haven't been made, but you're not necessarily innocent) that you hold regardless of political party. I'm not accusing you of being a Hilary supporter (even if you are, it wouldn't matter as far as the merits of this discourse), but just curious about consistency here.

I'll agree that it is fair to be circumspect about a person who has been involved in thousands of cases of litigation. I think very little was criminal (but don't know) and that the vast majority was civil in nature (particularly contractual) which makes it seem more like business as usual to me, but I'm used to running my own business and being threatened with litigation regularly. I've got several such instances ongoing myself, as many people don't want to pay up when the job is done.
Trump is definitely one who doesn't much like to pay his bills. But as I understand it, he's also been accused of outright fraud, embezzlement of funds, and all sorts of things that are far beyond "the cheque is in the mail" problems.
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