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post #121 of 701 (permalink) Old 11-10-2016, 08:20 AM
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Re: Was this an anti-woman anti-foreigner vote?

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To be fair, people infer that Trump supporters are racist and sexist because Trump himself is racist and sexist and has the policies to match.

Nothing to do with anyone's genitalia or not voting for Clinton.
At the very least, his rhetoric was certainly veiled with it.

I already have my popcorn cooking because it's that time of year again...War on Christmas! I do get the feeling sometimes that many of the loudest anti political correctness crowd somehow have this idea that the government has something to do with it. They will be in for a shock when private retailers still require their employees to say "Happy Holidays" because it makes the best business sense, that there will still be either no christmas displays on public land, or multiple displays across multiple faiths.


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Hillary supporters believe in a diverse America; one where religion or skin color or sexual orientation or place of birth aren't liabilities or deficiencies or moral defects. Her campaign was one of inclusion and connection and interdependency. It was about building bridges and breaking ceilings. It was about going high.
Trump supporters believe in a very selective America; one that is largely white and straight and Christian, and the voting verified this. Donald Trump has never made any assertions otherwise. He ran a campaign of fear and exclusion and isolation-and that's the vision of the world those who voted for him have endorsed.
They have aligned with the wall-builder and the professed p*ssy-grabber, and they have co-signed his body of work, regardless of the reasons they give for their vote:
Every horrible thing Donald Trump ever said about women or Muslims or people of color has now been validated. Every profanity-laced press conference and every call to bully protestors and every ignorant diatribe has been endorsed. Every piece of anti-LGBTQ legislation Mike Pence has championed has been signed-off on.
Once again, a "well done" piece on labeling people and shaming them. It appears some people can't seem to accept that there is a group of people who voted for Trump more as a vote AGAINST Hillary. Maybe they felt he was the answer to fix ACA. Maybe they felt he was teh answer to fix unemployment. There could be a myriad of reasons why they supported him, I understand that doesn't fit well with the narrative being pushed, so naturally instead of looking at Hillary, the DNC, etc... to try and understand exactly what happened, just label anyone who voted Trump as a racist/sexist p*ssy grabber.
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it's this:

Here's Why We Grieve Today
November 9, 2016 / John Pavlovitz
I don't think you understand us right now.
I think you think this is about politics.
I think you believe this is all just sour grapes; the crocodile tears of the losing locker room with the scoreboard going against us at the buzzer.
I can only tell you that you're wrong. This is not about losing an election. This isn't about not winning a contest. This is about two very different ways of seeing the world.
Hillary supporters believe in a diverse America; one where religion or skin color or sexual orientation or place of birth aren't liabilities or deficiencies or moral defects. Her campaign was one of inclusion and connection and interdependency. It was about building bridges and breaking ceilings. It was about going high.
Trump supporters believe in a very selective America; one that is largely white and straight and Christian, and the voting verified this. Donald Trump has never made any assertions otherwise. He ran a campaign of fear and exclusion and isolation-and that's the vision of the world those who voted for him have endorsed.
They have aligned with the wall-builder and the professed p*ssy-grabber, and they have co-signed his body of work, regardless of the reasons they give for their vote:
Every horrible thing Donald Trump ever said about women or Muslims or people of color has now been validated. Every profanity-laced press conference and every call to bully protestors and every ignorant diatribe has been endorsed. Every piece of anti-LGBTQ legislation Mike Pence has championed has been signed-off on.
Half of our country has declared these things acceptable, noble, American.
This is the disconnect and the source of our grief today. It isn't a political defeat that we're lamenting, it's a defeat for Humanity.
We're not angry that our candidate lost. We're angry because our candidate's losing means this country will be less safe, less kind, and less available to a huge segment of its population, and that's just the truth.
Those who have always felt vulnerable are now left more so. Those whose voices have been silenced will be further quieted. Those who always felt marginalized will be pushed further to the periphery. Those who feared they were seen as inferior now have confirmation in actual percentages.
Those things have essentially been campaign promises of Donald Trump, and so many of our fellow citizens have said this is what they want too.
This has never been about politics.
This is not about one candidate over the other.
It's not about one's ideas over another's.
It is not blue vs. red.
It's not her emails vs. his bad language.
It's not her dishonesty vs. his indecency.
It's about overt racism and hostility toward minorities.
It's about religion being weaponized.
It's about crassness and vulgarity and disregard for women.
It's about a barricaded, militarized, bully nation.
It's about an unapologetic, open-faced ugliness.
And it is not only that these things have been ratified by our nation that grieve us; all this hatred, fear, racism, bigotry, and intolerance-it's knowing that these things have been amen-ed by our neighbors, our families, our friends, those we work with and worship alongside. That is the most horrific thing of all. We now know how close this.
It feels like living in enemy territory being here now, and there's no way around that. We wake up today in a home we no longer recognize. We are grieving the loss of a place we used to love but no longer do. This may be America today but it is not the America we believe in or recognize or want.
This is not about a difference of political opinion, as that's far too small to mourn over. It's about a fundamental difference in how we view the worth of all people-not just those who look or talk or think or vote the way we do.
Grief always laments what might have been, the future we were robbed of, the tomorrow that we won't get to see, and that is what we walk through today. As a nation we had an opportunity to affirm the beauty of our diversity this day, to choose ideas over sound bytes, to let everyone know they had a place at the table, to be the beacon of goodness and decency we imagine that we are-and we said no.
The Scriptures say that weeping endures for a night but joy comes in the morning. We can't see that dawn coming any time soon.
And this is why we grieve.
The problem is the american people don't believe this garbage and showed that on Tuesday.

The american people are desensitized to the lefts cries of racism sexism etc.

You cry wolf too many times and no one believes you anymore.

You can't win an election by saying the other side sucks vote for me.

You win an election by laying out a plan to fix this countries problems.

This is where Hillary failed.
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Because Trump won. There is so much coming with Trump. Make a list. They don't want that list.
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You realize the bolded is likely what they think about you, too, right?

We need more understanding, on both sides.
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You can't win an election by saying the other side sucks vote for me.

You win an election by laying out a plan to fix this countries problems.
this is exactly what DJT did. Where's the big plan other than "we're going to build a wall" and other nonsense like that?
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The problem is the american people don't believe this garbage and showed that on Tuesday.
the majority of them do. it's just that they weren't lined up in enough states demographically to make it count.
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The problem is the american people don't believe this garbage and showed that on Tuesday.

The american people are desensitized to the lefts cries of racism sexism etc.

You cry wolf too many times and no one believes you anymore.

You can't win an election by saying the other side sucks vote for me.

You win an election by laying out a plan to fix this countries problems.

This is where Hillary failed.

Listening to some of the more apologetic Trump voters, that's exactly why Trump won...

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[QUOTE=EllisRedding;16850729 Maybe they felt he was the answer to fix ACA. .[/QUOTE]

this right here tells me that many American voters think their money is more important than human rights. And I will NEVER understand that. This is a division of values.
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the majority of them do. it's just that they weren't lined up in enough states demographically to make it count.
You could argue then that this may have been more a failure on whoever ran the Clinton campaign.

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this right here tells me that many American voters think their money is more important than human rights. And I will NEVER understand that. This is a division of values.
Hey, if you will never understand that I am fine with that, it is your opinion. I am sure another person could come in here and question HRCs stance on human rights as well... However, to label anyone who doesn't agree with your values a racist/sexist (which is basically what the post you quoted is doing), well, have at it ... I am not going to discredit the person who just got slammed with a massive health insurance bill for having concerns about the economic future of their family ...

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Listening to some of the more apologetic Trump voters, that's exactly why Trump won...
Sure some people didn't want the snake to win.

He got a lot of Bernie votes.

However, he won based on his promise to bring manufacturing jobs
back to rust belt. He won because he promised to make America more
energy independent. He won because he promised to repeal the dreadful
ACA that's crushing the middle class. He won because he promised to do
something about illegal immigration.

He listened to the people. She didn't.

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the majority of them do. it's just that they weren't lined up in enough states demographically to make it count.
There is a huge disconnect in the "People wanted change", "New direction" idea and what actually happened. Yes, the unconventional candidate won. Congress remained virtually unchanged with the democrats making small gains, and virtually every establishment incumbent on both sides was reelected. One of these things is not like the other...either there was some mandate for change, and the voters are woefully uninformed about how our government works and think that the President can change things up while leaving congress virtually untouched. Remember, Trump was the anti republican establishment candidate, so voting for him to repudiate the republican establishment, yet reelecting virtually every republican establishment congressman makes no sense. The other possibility, and the one I think more likely is there was no broad mandate for change, just a referendum against Hillary Clinton, with a bit of the cult of personality effect thrown in.

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I agree, however, it is hard to understand someone who is rioting every time something doesn't go their way.
I usually agree with you, but in this case I disagree.

It is quite easy to understand someone like that. Just think of a two-year-old throwing a tantrum, but with bricks and bottles.

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Here's Why We Grieve Today
November 9, 2016 / John Pavlovitz
I don't think you understand us right now.
I think you think this is about politics.
I think you believe this is all just sour grapes; the crocodile tears of the losing locker room with the scoreboard going against us at the buzzer.
I can only tell you that you're wrong. This is not about losing an election. This isn't about not winning a contest. This is about two very different ways of seeing the world.
Hillary supporters believe in a diverse America; one where religion or skin color or sexual orientation or place of birth aren't liabilities or deficiencies or moral defects. Her campaign was one of inclusion and connection and interdependency. It was about building bridges and breaking ceilings. It was about going high.
Unless you are white, heterosexual, and/or male, in which case you are a "deplorable".

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Hey, if you will never understand that I am fine with that, it is your opinion. I am sure another person could come in here and question HRCs stance on human rights as well... However, to label anyone who doesn't agree with your values a racist/sexist (which is basically what the post you quoted is doing), well, have at it ... I am not going to discredit the person who just got slammed with a massive health insurance bill for having concerns about the economic future of their family ...
You don't get to absolve yourself of the positions of your candidate just because you wanted something else out of him.

Trump made it clear what he stood for. If you voted for him to repeal the ACA, but patted yourself on the back because he doesn't really believe all of that spiteful rhetoric he spewed on the campaign trail, or turned a blind eye, then you get partial blame for whatever comes from that decision.

It doesn't make you a racist. It absolutely makes you complicit in racism. Just like if Hillary had won, and turned in to another Nixon in office, her supporters would have shared in the blame. It was no secret. Neither is Trump's intolerance.

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Unless you are white, heterosexual, and/or male, in which case you are a "deplorable".
She never should have said that.

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