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post #196 of 211 (permalink) Old 11-15-2016, 08:37 PM
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I have heard the right scream, "Class warfare!" when tax hikes on the rich are brought up. Is that meant to promote dialogue?
You are correct people on both the left and the right have been doing way too much name calling and just being nasty to others for a long time.

One difference between stating that someone is encouraging "class warfare" is that it is very different than calling someone a racist, homophobe, etc. The terms "racist" and "homophobe" are not only meant to shut the person down, they are also meant to attack the person's very core as a human.

I don't listen to Rush. Why? Because he is the king of name calling. He's been doing for 25 years or more. It's awful. It's so engrained in his speech and his show that it's hard to separate it.

But then I turn on shows that are more to the left, and they are just as bad.

My take on this is that it needs to stop. It won't stop because this is how humans have always operated.

I read a book a few years ago about what things were like at the time George Washington. They were no different with all the yelling, hollering, talking past each other, name calling, etc. While we have the internet, they had new print and oh my gosh what was printed was as bad as what we have today. This is why the founders established freedom of speech... each side was bombastic and wanted to shut every other opinion down.

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Do you support Sharia law in other countries? If you do, I find that sad.



I probably have a stronger view on this since I have lived in countries that have sharia law, members of my family fled to the USA and other places in the world to get away from it and those who did not flee were slaughtered under the justification of Sharia law. So it's a sore topic for me.



The last thing any member of my family wants to see is the implementation of the horrific laws that our extended family ran from. Many of them want it gone from their home country as well. Sorry that you support the continued harm it causes so many people in the world.







Again, you are apparently unaware that there have been attempts already to put in place aspects of Sharia law. The Sharia court that some tried to establish in Irving Texas is only one attempt to do this.



The only reason it was not established is that a lot of non-Muslims spoke out and fought it. If they had not fought it, the court would still be operational. Those who opposed the Sharia court were called all kinds of names by the left.


No I don't support it. But I don't support the US trying to make every country like us. I don't think the US should swoop in and "fix" other countries. We are different counties for a reason and we need to mind our own business.
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Why do you think that the people who allegedly harassed them were/are more powerful than then ones they were harassing?

Are the protesters, who are harassing a lot of people these days more powerful than the people that they are harassing?
Not sure. It depends on the power differential and the threat level.

If there is an imbalance of power and an implied threat, whether in the moment (protestors harming property and/or threatening/carrying out violence), or more intensely and in the long term (an administration unfairly limiting rights and opportunities), then it is a serious issue. Otherwise it might be just an annoyance.

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Oh and btw sharia law is not set in stone. There are a lot of differences in opinions about it. Some places practice the super strict rules like cut your hand off for stealing, and death by stoning, but the majority of places that have sharia law do not practice those strict rules.
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Oh and btw sharia law is not set in stone. There are a lot of differences in opinions about it. Some places practice the super strict rules like cut your hand off for stealing, and death by stoning, but the majority of places that have sharia law do not practice those strict rules.
Yes, we are not stupid. Many of us are very much aware of what sharia is, how it's used in each country, etc. But in the end it all falls back to the same Islamic texts which are by their very nature anti-everything non-Islamic, discriminate against women, etc.
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Yes, we are not stupid. Many of us are very much aware of what sharia is, how it's used in each country, etc. But in the end it all falls back to the same Islamic texts which are by their very nature anti-everything non-Islamic, discriminate against women, etc.


Isn't every religion?
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Isn't every religion?
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Isn't every religion?
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Isn't every religion?
There is no other religions that has a system of jurisprudence quite like what Islam has... one that governs every aspect of life and society. One that has been used for over 1400 years as the basis of law in many countries so it has a track record that can be seen going back a long time.

There are things in Sharia that do not exist in any other religions law. For example the law that states that it is the responsibility of every Muslim to fight and/or support violent jihad against all non-Muslims until they are either converted, subjugated and pay taxes to Islamic rulers or killed.

There are dozens on laws that are explicitly anti anyone who is not Muslim limiting their rights and even their life.

There are also the laws against blasphemies and apostasy that require punishment by death. Yes I know that some Islamic countries only give jail sentences and caning (a long drawn out death sentence) for this. But that is no better.

Further, I am not advocating for any religion having the right to set up parallel courts in the USA. I am as much against Catholics, Jews, Protestants, Hindus, pasta-farinas, Wiccans, Satanists, and any or religious group doing this.

It's just that right now, it is Islamic organizations in the USA, Canada and Europe who are pushing this. In Europe they have gained a lot of ground. Canada took a serious look at is and decided not to allow it. But here is the USA some seem to think that it is 'racist' to object to Sharia courts being allowed.

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Snopes says this is false, Ele.

Sharia Law Established in Texas : snopes.com
Snopes is about as reliable a source as The Onion. It is a leftist hack site.

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Isn't every religion?
Islam is unique in that it has a form of government written into it and required by it. It's not merely an ethical code for the faithful, but a matter of jurisprudence that is to be enforced on the faithful and upon the Kafir (unbelievers).

It is the legal portion that is most objectionable. Compare this with the Papists, who fought in centuries gone by to make their countries bow to the Pope during the Protestant and Calvinist Reformations. During those times, there were laws enacted against Catholics because they would not permit others to practice their beliefs. Today the Catholic Church is reformed, and Catholicism is not a system of government, which is to be foisted upon the populations of each nation.

Sharia Law, Islam itself, calls for the execution of homosexuals, legitimizes pedophilia, demands Jizya of the Kafir, and all manner of other terrible things. This ideology has no place in the modern world, and certainly is not tolerable in Western societies.

Islam has not had a reform. Until such time as it does, it is not really just to compare it to Catholicism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, et al.

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Snopes is about as reliable a source as The Onion. It is a leftist hack site.
Wrong. Every time they debunk another urban legend they provide facts, and links to the resources they use.

Unlike yourself of course who just says whatever happens to be on your mind and puts it out there like it's uniquivocal fact, such as this post I called you on right here.
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