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By proxy those jobs are created. Same for the admin who sits at the front desk, but no one would call that an "on shored" job.

Curious to example of the 2:1 you mentioned.
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Jobs have come back to the US from overseas in my industry. It can be done at reasonable wages. Given better trade treaties, this would happen a lot more. It costs big $ to move products from China to the US.

These jobs are not by proxy. They are the result of some manufacturing coming back. We need more of this.

Go to any factory in the US, it probably employees 1 tradesperson per two factory types. Some industries, especially mine, it is this way. Others, maybe not so much. Machinery and modern controls systems take skilled trades to maintain.

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Jobs have come back to the US from overseas in my industry. It can be done at reasonable wages. Given better trade treaties, this would happen a lot more. It costs big $ to move products from China to the US.

These jobs are not by proxy. They are the result of some manufacturing coming back. We need more of this.

Go to any factory in the US, it probably employees 1 tradesperson per two factory types. Some industries, especially mine, it is this way. Others, maybe not so much. Machinery and modern controls systems take skilled trades to maintain.
Again, job of an electrician cannot be off shored. They can be created due to on shoring. Examples of the 2:1 ratio. You've stated this twice with no proof but your own opinion.
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Again, job of an electrician cannot be off shored. They can be created due to on shoring. Examples of the 2:1 ratio. You've stated this twice with no proof but your own opinion.
In the plant I work at there is about 1 tradesmen per two 'line' workers. The line workers can't be off shored either. You need all of them in the same place to make the plant run. The line workers where I work are >70% skilled labor, though not in the traditional sense of skilled trades.
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Journeymen are tradesmen. Carpenters, electricians, HVAC. These jobs were never off shored because their work is in this country. You cannot onshore what was never offshored.
You don't need to. Look up "flat rate plumbing".
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People voted for him because they wanted change. I agree. But you can't deny that there is another group of people that voted for him because they are racists. That's why the KKK and many hate groups support him.

He won because he got the most votes. Of course. I don't hate trump. But I think he incites hate in people that is already there. And that is what I don't like.
And there it is folks.

When truth and honesty hits a Progressive in the Snot Locker, they ignore the pain of Truth and look for the label on the glove that held the hand that whacked them.

For them, it is getting their point of view across. They are NOT listening or processing what the other person is saying.....no, it is side stepping the obvious and trying to justify [oh, so feebly] their viewpoint.

To be truly "Progressive" one must become more mature as one ages. I admit, this is difficult.

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People voted for him because they wanted change. I agree. But you can't deny that there is another group of people that voted for him because they are racists. That's why the KKK and many hate groups support him.

He won because he got the most votes. Of course. I don't hate trump. But I think he incites hate in people that is already there. And that is what I don't like.
And there it is folks.

When truth and honesty hits a Progressive in the Snot Locker, they ignore the pain of Truth and look for the label on the glove that held the hand that whacked them.

For them, it is getting their point of view across. They are NOT listening or processing what the other person is saying.....no, it is side stepping the obvious and trying to justify [oh, so feebly] their viewpoint.

To be truly "Progressive" one must become more mature as one ages. I admit, this is difficult.

One needs to lose the flowers in your hair. Grow an Oak Tree................ climb it. Climate-Change your mind.

Oh, The New Black Panthers and George Soros funded Black Lives Matter, La Rasa and terrorist supporters CAIR supported Barack Obama and Mrs Clinton. Trump did not ask any racist groups for support. Mr. Obama invited [some of] them into the White House. How do you feel about this?

@katiecrna I do like your posts, I like you. I cannot hold back sometimes. :-)

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And there it is folks.

When truth and honesty hits a Progressive in the Snot Locker, they ignore the pain of Truth and look for the label on the glove that held the hand that whacked them.

For them, it is getting their point of view across. They are NOT listening or processing what the other person is saying.....no, it is side stepping the obvious and trying to justify [oh, so feebly] their viewpoint.

To be truly "Progressive" one must become more mature as one ages. I admit, this is difficult.

One needs to lose the flowers in your hair. Grow an Oak Tree................ climb it. Climate-Change your mind.

Oh, The New Black Panthers and George Soros funded Black Lives Matter, La Rasa and terrorist supporters CAIR supported Barack Obama and Mrs Clinton. Trump did not ask any racist groups for support. Mr. Obama invited [some of] them into the White House. How do you feel about this?

@katiecrna I do like your posts, I like you. I cannot hold back sometimes. :-)


How do I feel about it? Fine. I dislike trump supporters more than I dislike trump.

Sorry although my viewpoint may be ignorant, it's my viewpoint
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How do I feel about it? Fine. I dislike trump supporters more than I dislike trump.

Sorry although my viewpoint may be ignorant, it's my viewpoint


My Ws childhood friend asked anyone who voted for trump to defriend her on FB, with a short diatribe saying she was completely serious.

Yes this has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way


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How do I feel about it? Fine. I dislike trump supporters more than I dislike trump.

Sorry although my viewpoint may be ignorant, it's my viewpoint
So you are ok with the Clintons, Obama and the Democratic party supporting racist hate groups. But you are not ok with Trump having some racist groups that he does not support say that they support him? Really?

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Oh, The New Black Panthers and George Soros funded Black Lives Matter, La Rasa and terrorist supporters CAIR supported Barack Obama and Mrs Clinton. Trump did not ask any racist groups for support. Mr. Obama invited [some of] them into the White House. How do you feel about this?
Why are you ok with some racist hate groups and terrorist groups? I am truly confused.

{Note: I am not ok with the KKK, white supremists, Nazi Party, The New Black Panthers and George Soros funded Black Lives Matter, La Rasa and terrorist supporters CAIR. I am against all hate groups, all racist groups and all terrorist groups}
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My Ws childhood friend asked anyone who voted for trump to defriend her on FB, with a short diatribe saying she was completely serious.

Yes this has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way
I have some people on FB who have done the same thing. Sent out crazy posts to everyone they know. I ignored them. If their hate and vitriol continue I might defriend them. I'm so tired of the hate and ugly posts on Facebook in the last few months.

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I have some people on FB who have done the same thing. Sent out crazy posts to everyone they know. I ignored them. If their hate and vitriol continue I might defriend them. I'm so tired of the hate and ugly posts on Facebook in the last few months.
It is always fascinating to see how people behave when the normal social controls are removed.

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It is always fascinating to see how people behave when the normal social controls are removed.
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How do I feel about it? Fine. I dislike trump supporters more than I dislike trump.

Sorry although my viewpoint may be ignorant, it's my viewpoint
I didn't vote for him, but you dislike his supporters more than him? Please explain why. And, yeah, it is somewhat lacking in intellect if it's just based on no basis of fact. You are welcome to your viewpoint. But don't we already have enough people marching in the streets, protesting, sitting down during the national anthem, and proclaiming whatever all in the name of their "viewpoint"?

Not attacking you, but I'd really like to know how many Trump supporters you know. What exactly is it that you dislike about them? Like I said, I didn't vote for him, but I'm not sure I want to dismiss all of them ...

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I saw this on FB this morning and, whilst I'm not a Trump supporter, think this says it all:-

Dear Democrats and Liberals,

I'm noticing that a lot of you aren't graciously accepting the fact that your candidate lost. In fact you seem to be posting even more hateful things about those of us who voted for Trump.

Some of you are apparently "triggered". Because you are posting how "sick" you feel about the results.

How did this happen you ask.

You created "us" when you attacked our freedom of speech.

You created "us" when you attacked our right to bear arms.

You created "us" when you attacked our Christian beliefs.

You created "us" when you constantly referred to us as racists.

You created "us" when you constantly called us xenophobic.

You created "us" when you told us to get on board or get out of the way.

You created "us" when you forced us to buy health care and then financially penalized us for not participating.

You created "us" when you allowed our jobs to continue to leave our country.

You created "us" when you attacked our flag.

You created "us" when you confused women's rights with feminism.

You created "us" when you began to immasculate men.

You created "us" when you decided to make our children soft.

You created "us" when you decided to vote for progressive ideals.

You created "us" when you attacked our way of life.

You created "us" when you decided to let our government get out of control.

"You" created "us" the silent majority.

And we became fed up and we pushed back and spoke up.

And we did it with ballots, not bullets.

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I saw this on FB this morning and, whilst I'm not a Trump supporter, think this says it all:-

Dear Democrats and Liberals,

I'm noticing that a lot of you aren't graciously accepting the fact that your candidate lost. In fact you seem to be posting even more hateful things about those of us who voted for Trump.

Some of you are apparently "triggered". Because you are posting how "sick" you feel about the results.

How did this happen you ask.

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Good post....

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