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But right now blacks are being targeted by the police and it is getting ignored. Therefore the rise of black lives matter. I support it.
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Here is my take... black men are more likely to commit crime. Ok. But police officers are tigger happy and view black men as a threat more so than white men, causing them to feel threatened and pull the trigger. Let me point out that commiting a crime and being a murderer are 2 different things. Doing drugs, breaking into a car or whatever are way different than shooting and killing someone. Second, if you feel like the black man you pulled over is a threat and may shoot you... then shoot him, but don't go for the ****ing kill. Why can't you shoot their arm if you see them reaching for their "gun", why can you shoot them in the leg if they go to run. Why are they shootings to kill? !?! These are fathers and husbands and sons I mean come on!!! Their lives matter you cant just jump to kill. That's my biggest problem. Fine protect yourself, but don't KILL them come on how is this defendable?
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Here is my take... black men are more likely to commit crime. Ok. But police officers are tigger happy and view black men as a threat more so than white men, causing them to feel threatened and pull the trigger. Let me point out that commiting a crime and being a murderer are 2 different things. Doing drugs, breaking into a car or whatever are way different than shooting and killing someone. Second, if you feel like the black man you pulled over is a threat and may shoot you... then shoot him, but don't go for the ****ing kill. Why can't you shoot their arm if you see them reaching for their "gun", why can you shoot them in the leg if they go to run. Why are they shootings to kill? !?! These are fathers and husbands and sons I mean come on!!! Their lives matter you cant just jump to kill. That's my biggest problem. Fine protect yourself, but don't KILL them come on how is this defendable?
I don't think that there is even one person on TAM who believes that the lives of black men and women do not matter. I could be wrong, but I would be shocked if anyone here believed that. Understanding that the ORGANIZATION called Black Lives Matters is a radical, racist organization whose goal is to grow the racial divide and cause more violence does not equate to anyone believing that the lives of black people do not matter. You seem to think that it does. You are profoundly wrong.

You are right that we have some bad cops in the USA. Bad cops need to be prosecuted and put away for a long time. They hurt all of us. But we also have good cops who are being put in bad situations, scary situations. Your idea that they should shoot people in the arm or leg would be wonderful if it worked. It does not. A cop has a second or two to access risk and act. Have you ever shot a gun under great pressure? It's very hard to hit a small target. And arm is a small target. If they do hit the arm, the person might very well still be able to use it to get a few shots off. Shoot someone in the leg, they can still shoot back. Plus, this country puts very little money into training cops. We pay them almost nothing to put their lives on the line. We hardly train them. Then we expect them to have the reflexes and steady head under every condition--like some comic book super hero. Cops are human. They want to go home at night.

Then you add something like BLMs and other racist hate groups to the mix and you get what happened in Ferguson, Mo. They did not wait to find out the truth. They did not care about the truth. The guy who was shot attacked and injured the cop. He then tried to go back after the cop. The "hands up" thing was a lie. But BLM and their race mongering supporters did not care. They ruined the life of a good cop and his family.

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The Myths of Black Lives Matter

The movement has won over Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. But what if its claims are fiction?

A television ad for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign now airing in South Carolina shows the candidate declaring that “too many encounters with law enforcement end tragically.” She later adds: “We have to face up to the hard truth of injustice and systemic racism.”

Her Democratic presidential rival, Bernie Sanders, met with the Rev. Al Sharpton on Wednesday. Mr. Sanders then tweeted that “As President, let me be very clear that no one will fight harder to end racism and reform our broken criminal justice system than I will.” And he appeared on the TV talk show “The View” saying, “It is not acceptable to see unarmed people being shot by police officers.”

Apparently the Black Lives Matter movement has convinced Democrats and progressives that there is an epidemic of racist white police officers killing young black men. Such rhetoric is going to heat up as Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders court minority voters before the Feb. 27 South Carolina primary.

But what if the Black Lives Matter movement is based on fiction? Not just the fictional account of the 2014 police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., but the utter misrepresentation of police shootings generally.

To judge from Black Lives Matter protesters and their media and political allies, you would think that killer cops pose the biggest threat to young black men today. But this perception, like almost everything else that many people think they know about fatal police shootings, is wrong.

The Washington Post has been gathering data on fatal police shootings over the past year and a half to correct acknowledged deficiencies in federal tallies. The emerging data should open many eyes.

For starters, fatal police shootings make up a much larger proportion of white and Hispanic homicide deaths than black homicide deaths. According to the Post database, in 2015 officers killed 662 whites and Hispanics, and 258 blacks. (The overwhelming majority of all those police-shooting victims were attacking the officer, often with a gun.) Using the 2014 homicide numbers as an approximation of 2015’s, those 662 white and Hispanic victims of police shootings would make up 12% of all white and Hispanic homicide deaths. That is three times the proportion of black deaths that result from police shootings.

The lower proportion of black deaths due to police shootings can be attributed to the lamentable black-on-black homicide rate. There were 6,095 black homicide deaths in 2014—the most recent year for which such data are available—compared with 5,397 homicide deaths for whites and Hispanics combined. Almost all of those black homicide victims had black killers.

Police officers—of all races—are also disproportionately endangered by black assailants. Over the past decade, according to FBI data, 40% of cop killers have been black. Officers are killed by blacks at a rate 2.5 times higher than the rate at which blacks are killed by police.

Some may find evidence of police bias in the fact that blacks make up 26% of the police-shooting victims, compared with their 13% representation in the national population. But as residents of poor black neighborhoods know too well, violent crimes are disproportionately committed by blacks. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, blacks were charged with 62% of all robberies, 57% of murders and 45% of assaults in the 75 largest U.S. counties in 2009, though they made up roughly 15% of the population there.

Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force.
The Black Lives Matter movement claims that white officers are especially prone to shooting innocent blacks due to racial bias, but this too is a myth. A March 2015 Justice Department report on the Philadelphia Police Department found that black and Hispanic officers were much more likely than white officers to shoot blacks based on “threat misperception”—that is, the mistaken belief that a civilian is armed.

A 2015 study by University of Pennsylvania criminologist Greg Ridgeway, formerly acting director of the National Institute of Justice, found that, at a crime scene where gunfire is involved, black officers in the New York City Police Department were 3.3 times more likely to discharge their weapons than other officers at the scene.

The Black Lives Matter movement has been stunningly successful in changing the subject from the realities of violent crime. The world knows the name of Michael Brown but not Tyshawn Lee, a 9-year-old black child lured into an alley and killed by gang members in Chicago last fall. Tyshawn was one of dozens of black children gunned down in America last year. The Baltimore Sun reported on Jan. 1: “Blood was shed in Baltimore at an unprecedented pace in 2015, with mostly young, black men shot to death in a near-daily crush of violence.”

Those were black lives that mattered, and it is a scandal that outrage is heaped less on the dysfunctional culture that produces so many victims than on the police officers who try to protect them.

Ms. Mac Donald is the Thomas W. Smith fellow at the Manhattan Institute and author of “The War on Cops,” forthcoming in July from Encounter Books.

The Myths of Black Lives Matter - WSJ
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Ms. EleGirl and anyone else If you haven't watch this yet, please watch the video (happened in Chicago) in this news link below. US riots horror video shows teenagers beating up elderly Donald Trump voter in the street. (A group of Black teenagers beating up a White elderly Donald Trump voter in the street).
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/215690...d-trump-voter/

This video is sickening and bleep unjustice. I give zero bleep what ethnicity/race you are, you don't go beat up people just because they don't vote for Hilliary like you. I hope the law enforcement track down that group of teenager soon like asap, If their mama don't know how to teach them, then let the law teach them. You live in a country that have laws here, you don't live in the jungle, don't act like you live in the jungle.. You don't go around and beat up people just because they don't vote for the same canidate as you.
Yes, I sound mad, because I am mad. It these type of people (in the news link above) that make me go support Trump more and more.

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Good to know Trump is not all talk, was worried too because that would only result in a fraction of the desired effect.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/us...ald-trump.html

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Kobach will serve on Trump's transition team, won't speculate on cabinet post | The Wichita Eagle
Apparently he was responsible for:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_SB_1070

Which apparently according to some sources includes racial profiling as part of "reasonable suspicion", on grounds such as skin color and accent
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As for the black vs white thing, I see culprits on both sides, it's war and it's on now!

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It was a vote to get Obama out
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It was a vote to get Obama out
Really? Because they didn't need to actually vote to make that happen.

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A lot of democrats are discussing on various news shows today, how the democrats have only themselves to blame. The same voters virtually who voted for Obama in two elections, cast their votes for Trump, so obviously, racism isn't a factor. It is important to understand why they lost, otherwise, they'll keep losing. If all they get out of this is that they lost because of racist uneducated voters turning to Trump, and also the FBI guy, Comey...then, they'll keep losing elections. Because those aren't the reasons they lost.

Another stat that came out is that Trump had more of the educated white vote than did Hillary, so much for thinking all of his voters were dumb uneducated racists who hate immigrants.

These stats are coming from Michael Moore and other Democrats who want to see real change in their own party, and aren't looking to point their fingers at everyone but themselves. Also Michael Moore and others said that the Democratic party rigged getting Bernie Sanders out of the race, so...at least there are many Democrats willing to admit their fault in why they believe Trump won.

What anyone should learn from this election is that voters are not just numbers on a map, but they are human beings, and the issues that matter to them...the Democrats didn't touch upon enough in Hillary's campaign.

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In my honest opinion, he won for the same reason this guy won.

The Donald Trump of the Philippines? | SBS Dateline

The principle issue in question in that country that brought him to power is mainly crime and corruption, the issues in the U.S. that propelled Trump to presidency is immigration, status quo, etc etc.

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The same voters virtually who voted for Obama in two elections, cast their votes for Trump, so obviously, racism isn't a factor.
I also believe that people did not vote for Trump because of racism alone, but I do believe it is a factor albeit a minor one. The main issue alot of people have with Trump and several of his Trump supporters, is what seems to be coined at present as the "Trump-effect" or "Trumpism", the social acceptance of political incorrectness. Still, I ain't White, Anglo-Saxon or Protestant but I fully endorse the end of social justice warriors, but I seem to be a minority among minorities. The world has been living in a fairy tale, and many still believe in the fairy tale. Denial is the first stage of grief after all. For me, it's long past acceptance, and I relish at the acknowledgement of so many people finally getting real.

Saves me having to educate the ignorant.

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We'll have to wait and see, but personally, I'm excited to see a brand new administration and Trump will appoint smart, talented people to do the things he doesn't know how to do, and also think he's interested in uniting the country.

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And me, I'm just excited Ali G is finally INDAHOUSE!

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oops....I left out the "and more of the same Hillary" bit.
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Good to know Trump is not all talk, was worried too because that would only result in a fraction of the desired effect.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/us...ald-trump.html

This man in particular:
Kobach will serve on Trump's transition team, won't speculate on cabinet post | The Wichita Eagle
Apparently he was responsible for:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_SB_1070

Which apparently according to some sources includes racial profiling as part of "reasonable suspicion", on grounds such as skin color and accent
Like a lot of laws, it's hard to get the wording and the intent right. States have been working on how to identify illegal aliens. This was a controversy on how to do that in a way that does not violate the rights of people here legally, citizens, etc. This is not easy stuff. I would think that by a lot of this has been shaken out and resolved.

As one of the main drafters of the law, Kobach has stated that the way the law has been written makes any form of racial profiling illegal. In particular, Kobach references the phrase in the law that directly states that officers "may not solely consider race, color, or national origin."[119] Kobach also disagrees that the "reasonable suspicion" clause of the bill specifically allows for racial profiling, replying that the term "reasonable suspicion" has been used in other laws prior and therefore has "legal precedent".[119]
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