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post #61 of 163 (permalink) Old 11-09-2016, 08:22 PM
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BUT ENOUGH WITH THE POINTLESS MARCHING ALREADY!!!
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The Donald wants to start greater production of coal
Coal cannot be produced. Non-renewable. Third grade science.
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Okay, arguments aside. And, believe me, I respect everyone's right here to argue to the death! Seriously.

Anyway ... Trump said he would block any further immigration of Syrians. He will track down illegals and get rid of them. (Good luck with that!) And he will rescind the Affordable Care Act (thank GOD for the middle class who carry the burden!). I'm speaking as an Independent here. And I DO NOT vote a party ticket, nor did I in this election. So from my perspective, that is what I imagine Trump will do in his first 100 days.

Still ... this evening we have anti-Trump rallies in the streets of major cities. This election wasn't about Hillary's "dishonesty" or Trump's "narcissism." This election is about a major - and very angry - schism that has occurred in our country. Right now, about 5,000 protesters are outside Trump Tower in NYC.

So what I expect? More polarization. And THAT is why I've been so damn confused, depressed, and sorrowful today.
Apparently that protest in of Trump Towers was planned to be held as an in-your-face-trump rally rubbing it in his face because they thought that Hillary would win. It turned directions to a protest against his election now that trump won.

The polarization of our population started some time back. It's been building for years. I think that a lot of people have a problem today accepting that they will not always get things their own way.

I hope that people just calm down and let's see how this goes. Trumps been elected. We can keep an eye on what he does. We still have 3 branches of government and checks and balances. Either he's going to do some good things or he's going to fall on his face. In four years there will be another election.

Life goes on. When I woke up this morning the sun was shinning just like all the days before. I suspect it will be the same for the few thousand years. This is not the end of world as some people seem to think.


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Whatever he does, he better do it quick and it better be good. I anticipate a turnover in Congress come the 2018 mid term elections.

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I expect ACA to be replaced. The concept was good (to get far more Americans insured), but the execution flawed. Whatever replaces it will also be badly flawed, but hopefully will correct the more serious issues even as others are created. I expect that far fewer people will be able to get health insurance, though, so in that respect it will be a step backward. I feel bad for all those who want - but won't be able to obtain - insurance. There will be little - if any - impact on me; there may be some on my wife when I retire, but we have options which many people do not. Trump did support a single-payer/universal type plan at one point, but I doubt that will have any traction.

Trump will be toxic for the environment, especially climate change. We'll all eventually pay the price (or our children will), but by the time the more serious impacts occur I'll be dead and won't care anyway. I'll be selling my beach property and moving to the mountains in a few years when I retire. And while mining coal may restore a few thousand jobs, the resulting air pollution impacts will kill many times that (let's leave out the greenhouse gas impact for now).

Deregulating business will be good for business, but bad for consumers and customers who will be taken advantage of through questionable practices. Think Wells Fargo and multiply that hundreds-fold. The rich will get richer, and the middle class leaner.

Socially? Well, we'll see the clock turned back 60 years or more, I think. Won't affect me, but we'll have more bias and stratification of society, which I find sad. As for immigration: I don't think a wall is viable, but keeping out illegals and deporting those who are here illegally doesn't bother me. It will cost a lot, and will have negative economic impacts. Once people begin to feel those, any draconian measures will be scaled back anyway.

Foreign policy? Meh. We have good allies and bad allies, and allies of convenience - which are which may become clearer, and we don't need to intervene in so many local conflicts (other than to keep the arms-makers afloat for times when we really need them). The main concerns are what we do about Russian and Chinese aggression and expansionism. Do we draw a line, or flinch? How and where that line is drawn could have potentially severe consequences. This does worry me, as those consequences will happen sooner rather than later.

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So what are your guesses as to what really happens now, sky-is-falling aside?

The ACA is clearly toast - they've been trying to do this for a while. Will we go back to the problem of uninsured millions that it attempted (with certainly mixed results) to help, or will Ryan and Co. come up with an actual plan that does a better job?

We get a new Supreme Court justice, probably in the mold of Scalia.

I'll have to do some research on what exactly to expect for the budget. History would indicate that talk of fiscal responsibility isn't necessarily backed up with actions, but hey, surprise me.

Planned parenthood is probably a good target for the chopping block. Maybe NPR has to finally go fully self-funded.

Any activity on climate change will clearly get stuffed in a drawer, to be forgotten.

What else?
My main concern, driven a little bit by shock and hysteria, is that my daughters reproductive choice rights will be rolled back by decades. Employers who can choose their health coverage based on their "beliefs" and her right to choose an abortion. I am taking a wait and see attitude.
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I expect ACA to be replaced. The concept was good (to get far more Americans insured), but the execution flawed. Whatever replaces it will also be badly flawed, but hopefully will correct the more serious issues even as others are created. I expect that far fewer people will be able to get health insurance, though, so in that respect it will be a step backward. I feel bad for all those who want - but won't be able to obtain - insurance. There will be little - if any - impact on me; there may be some on my wife when I retire, but we have options which many people do not. Trump did support a single-payer/universal type plan at one point, but I doubt that will have any traction.
It's hard to argue that the ACA isn't flawed, even if I like you agree with the stated goal. The usual law of unintended consequences kicked in. However, the ACA is also victim of the usual problem where you don't hear the success stories. My wife works in a pediatrician's office. Many of their clients are grateful for the insurance coverage they couldn't get before the ACA, and will likely lose when it goes away.

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Trump will be toxic for the environment, especially climate change. We'll all eventually pay the price (or our children will), but by the time the more serious impacts occur I'll be dead and won't care anyway. I'll be selling my beach property and moving to the mountains in a few years when I retire. And while mining coal may restore a few thousand jobs, the resulting air pollution impacts will kill many times that (let's leave out the greenhouse gas impact for now).
Sigh. Yup. Which is too bad, because he really could make a dent in one of his campaign promises to return manufacturing to America with a federal renewable energy push.

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Socially? Well, we'll see the clock turned back 60 years or more, I think. Won't affect me, but we'll have more bias and stratification of society, which I find sad. As for immigration: I don't think a wall is viable, but keeping out illegals and deporting those who are here illegally doesn't bother me. It will cost a lot, and will have negative economic impacts. Once people begin to feel those, any draconian measures will be scaled back anyway.
The south found out a few years ago that Americans actually don't want to work in the fields for slave wages. When the price of your produce triples, we may find that wall winds up with a few strategically placed doors.

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Foreign policy? Meh. We have good allies and bad allies, and allies of convenience - which are which may become clearer, and we don't need to intervene in so many local conflicts (other than to keep the arms-makers afloat for times when we really need them). The main concerns are what we do about Russian and Chinese aggression and expansionism. Do we draw a line, or flinch? How and where that line is drawn could have potentially severe consequences. This does worry me, as those consequences will happen sooner rather than later.
His comments on NATO were troubling, but I sort of expect him to get pulled back on that one by those in the know. You just know that he's going to be the butt of every joke at every international conference he attends. My German peers are already filling my inbox with jokes about our political system.
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Didn't trump ask marla maples to abort Tiffany? Anyway, we'll have more money lining our wallet. Of course, I could give a ****. Social issues are more important to me. Common core going down the drain would make life easier career wise
If and when the economy crashes and we become like Greece, will your social issues mean that much to you then? If you don't have money and have to worry about how to pay your bills and feed your family, will you still care about the pay gap or gender equality or whether transgenders can use a certain restroom? That 20 trillion is close to 21 trillion now and it's not going away anytime soon.
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If and when the economy crashes and we become like Greece, will your social issues mean that much to you then? If you don't have money and have to worry about how to pay your bills and feed your family, will you still care about the pay gap or gender equality or whether transgenders can use a certain restroom? That 20 trillion is close to 21 trillion now and it's not going away anytime soon.
while the economy is doing ok, I'll not worry about this. If it crashes, it will certainly not happen in the next 2 months and therefore will be the sitting president's issue. we are not at that point now. No where NEAR That point, so I'm going to vote the issues that mean the most to me right now to continually move this country's progress forward. Not worst case scenario, as you did.

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while the economy is doing ok, I'll not worry about this. If it crashes, it will certainly not happen in the next 2 months and therefore will be the sitting president's issue. we are not at that point now. No where NEAR That point, so I'm going to vote the issues that mean the most to me right now to continually move this country's progress forward. Not worst case scenario, as you did.
The debt was around 6 trillion when Bill Clinton left office, then it was 10 trillion when Bush W left office, and now it's 20 trillion right before Obama leaves office. That compounding interest can add up really fast. If you have children, you'll leave all of this behind for them to deal with.

No surprise we differ on this. I look at the long game, and when faced with a long list of problems, I tackle the biggest problem first. The same way parents buy life insurance policies and save up money to leave for their children. They make plans for the future and not just concern for the here and now.

Remember the parable about the grasshopper and the ants that our teachers read to us? The grasshopper spends his summer days chilling and relaxing without a care in the world, while the ants are busy gathering food for the winter. When winter came, the grasshopper was hungry and had nothing, while the ants lived comfortably in their warm home, with plenty of food. Even squirrels instinctively know to plan for the winter by gathering nuts.

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It's anyone's guess. The man talks out of his ass and mouth at the same time. I wouldn't be surprised if he appointed pro choice SCOTUS replacements and doubled down on NAFTA. I also wouldnt be surprised if he started a war and attempted to jail MSNBC journalists.
Trump has never had a strong opinion about Roe vs Wade and Planned Parenthood. However, a big chunk of his fervent supporters do. He said directly in a debate that he will appoint judges that are known to be social conservatives and they continued to make the connection that they would likely be against pro-choice.

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If he accomplishes 1/10th of what he said he will do I will consider it a very successful presidency.

He's got a big mess to clean up after the 8 years of garbage policy and stagnation we have had to deal with.
Not to mention that Obama let the military go to hell. Our best fighters and aircraft carriers are over 50 years old. The F35 is such a piece of **** they have to go back to using F14's to do the same job.

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Trump has never had a strong opinion about Roe vs Wade and Planned Parenthood. However, a big chunk of his fervent supporters do. He said directly in a debate that he will appoint judges that are known to be social conservatives and they continued to make the connection that they would likely be against pro-choice.

As we often say at TAM, "Believe them when they tell you who they actually are!"
He wanted his second wife to get an abortion. I would say that is a strong opinion about Roe v. Wade.

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Coal cannot be produced. Non-renewable. Third grade science.
Aren't we being a little pedantic here?

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