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He wanted his second wife to get an abortion. I would say that is a strong opinion about Roe v. Wade.
If he had a strong opinion, he would not have campaigned on appointing socially conservative judges and defunding Planned Parenthood.

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Not to mention that Obama let the military go to hell. Our best fighters and aircraft carriers are over 50 years old. The F35 is such a piece of **** they have to go back to using F14's to do the same job.
Dude, when was the F35 designed and built? When was its first test flight? Was it before Obama caused 9/11 or after?

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If he had a strong opinion, he would not have campaigned on appointing socially conservative judges and defunding Planned Parenthood.
What he needed to say to get elected and what he actually thinks may be two different things.

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I'm waiting for the wall! And to see how he's going to make Mexico pay for it lol
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It's easy to be a blowhard and just say crazy sh1t when you don't have any responsibilities and don't have to make any hard decisions.

It's another thing entirely to be in charge and deal with real issues.

Remember newt Gingrich? He let lose all manner of vitriol and b1tching and moaning as though he could do a better job. Then BOOM one day he was speaker of the house. What did he do? Orchestrated two temper tantrum government shutdowns that tanked his career. Back to just yelling at people who are actually in charge.

So trump now has to decide to lead or continue to whine and scream. If he stays the course, republicans and democrats might actually work together to oppose him. But that's just fantasy - more than likely the senate (requiring a 60 vote majority for list things), the house and POTUS will ALL fight with each other.

OR he could choose to lead. But don't count on it.


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Btw I assume you've read that Mitch McConnell has already said term limits are dead (we won't be bringing that up for a vote) and the wall, I believe, " is not a priority"

Meanwhile the speaker of the house didn't endorse him until the last minute and has openly been hostile.

Ha ha and that's his own party,

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Not to mention that Obama let the military go to hell. Our best fighters and aircraft carriers are over 50 years old. The F35 is such a piece of **** they have to go back to using F14's to do the same job.
However, the F-35 first flew in 2006... Design work started a decade earlier, and the contract awarded in 2001.
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I believe Trump entered the race to shake things up and did not anticipate or want to be president. He seemed to want to get out of the race and do what he does best, run businesses.

His efforts to do so failed. I am sure he never expected to gain followers when he made outrageous statements and extreme views.

Trump is a natural at business in an uncanny way, much like people who are good musicians or artist. I don't think he is comfortable in the role he is in now.

I hope his volatility and erratic behavior was an act and that he takes the position of leadership of our great Nation with gravity and care. I hope he redirects his vengefulness at our enemies aboard. When a Russian jet buzzes our ships, there should be a standing order to shoot them down and ask questions later.

We need to stop being nice, there are some nations who respond best to unpredictable, decisive and violent. Unfortunately, that is what it will take to get these piss pot countries to stop messing with the US.

I hope he will take the advice of smart and sensible people who care about the people who voted him in and not old played out politicians with purely political agendas.

One thing that gives me hope is that he does not owe favor's to political cronies. Just maybe he can finally break the chain of patronage that is destroying us. That I would love to see. His presidency could be a blessing in disguise.

He has already broken many conventions to get elected. I think we may finally have someone who has the brass balls to turn government back to being for the people and by the people and not a playground for an insular bunch of politicians.

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However, the F-35 first flew in 2006... Design work started a decade earlier, and the contract awarded in 2001.
Exactly but there were several attempts by Congress to get money to replace the F35 after Obama was elected. All were dashed by the Obama administration and now we're left with an aging fleet of F14's. For the first time in modern history, the US has the slower fighters than Russia, China and many other countries.
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What he needed to say to get elected and what he actually thinks may be two different things.
I agree, but I think that he may have painted himself into a corner with the evangelical segment of his supporters. I think that it partly depends on whether he'll want to run again for re-election in four years.

(I just realized that the next presidential election begins again in only 2 1/2 years....)

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I agree, but I think that he may have painted himself into a corner with the evangelical segment of his supporters. I think that it partly depends on whether he'll want to run again for re-election in four years.

(I just realized that the next presidential election begins again in only 2 1/2 years....)
I don't think he feels obligated to do anything for them. They will vote for him regardless. And they do vote, every time.

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I don't think he feels obligated to do anything for them. They will vote for him regardless. And they do vote, every time.
We'll see. I hope you're right.
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I agree, but I think that he may have painted himself into a corner with the evangelical segment of his supporters. I think that it partly depends on whether he'll want to run again for re-election in four years.

(I just realized that the next presidential election begins again in only 2 1/2 years....)
Not just the evangelicals, but the traditional democrat working class moderates that Hillary failed to reach. Trump's support is tenuous at best with very little margin for error. No doubt he will get an initial boost when he repeals ACA, but once that is done, he will have to deliver something that actually makes things affordable for people, because I don't think many people are going to settle for no insurance at all, nor dropped preexisting conditions. Barring regulation, he is going to have to find a way of getting the insurance companies, drug companies, and medical providers all on the same page in voluntarily, and significantly making things affordable.

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Barring regulation, he is going to have to find a way of getting the insurance companies, drug companies, and medical providers all on the same page in voluntarily, and significantly making things affordable.
He might be able to accomplish something with these industries and also actually have consensus for a very significant jobs bill to repair/modernize our old infrastructure because he will likely not have much resistance in congress. The Republican congress will no longer necessarily be the party of "Hell, No!" Even though Trump does not seem to be truly one of them, they will partially be held accountable for his successes/failures.
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Exactly but there were several attempts by Congress to get money to replace the F35 after Obama was elected. All were dashed by the Obama administration and now we're left with an aging fleet of F14's. For the first time in modern history, the US has the slower fighters than Russia, China and many other countries.
Much of it is about allocation. The US has a team of well-functioning aircraft carriers. The Russians have one old aircraft carrier that is in poor condition. However, since we already spend so much more on military that Russia and China combined, there should have been funds to ensure that fighter planes are not inferior to any other country's.
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