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post #106 of 163 (permalink) Old 11-12-2016, 11:27 AM
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So what are your guesses as to what really happens now, sky-is-falling aside?

The ACA is clearly toast - they've been trying to do this for a while. Will we go back to the problem of uninsured millions that it attempted (with certainly mixed results) to help, or will Ryan and Co. come up with an actual plan that does a better job?

We get a new Supreme Court justice, probably in the mold of Scalia.

I'll have to do some research on what exactly to expect for the budget. History would indicate that talk of fiscal responsibility isn't necessarily backed up with actions, but hey, surprise me.

Planned parenthood is probably a good target for the chopping block. Maybe NPR has to finally go fully self-funded.

Any activity on climate change will clearly get stuffed in a drawer, to be forgotten.

What else?
I suspect you will see about as much "Change" as you saw with the Obama administration.

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Remember the riots by the right wing after Obama won in 2008?
Depends on how you define "riot." Was there nothing but endless demands, including demands by Trump himself to provide a birth certificate and other nonsense, yes. Followed by 8 years of insults from Conservative followers throwing out things like that Obama was a secret Muslim, calling him "Obummer" and all kinds of disrespect.

So this concept that now is the time to sing khumbaya and all come together didn't seem to happen 8 years ago, why now?

When Conversatives are anger, their disappointment seems to be justified and sanctified, everyone else is "butthurt" and are insulted over concerns. You can scream until you are blue in the face crazy making about how concerned you are about gun control and how they are taking your guns away, but having concerns when Mike Pence has expressed his view that teenagers should get shock therapy to stop being gay, well - hey, just stop being butthurt.
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Depends on how you define "riot." Was there nothing but endless demands, including demands by Trump himself to provide a birth certificate and other nonsense, yes. Followed by 8 years of insults from Conservative followers throwing out things like that Obama was a secret Muslim, calling him "Obummer" and all kinds of disrespect.

So this concept that now is the time to sing khumbaya and all come together didn't seem to happen 8 years ago, why now?

When Conversatives are anger, their disappointment seems to be justified and sanctified, everyone else is "butthurt" and are insulted over concerns. You can scream until you are blue in the face crazy making about how concerned you are about gun control and how they are taking your guns away, but having concerns when Mike Pence has expressed his view that teenagers should get shock therapy to stop being gay, well - hey, just stop being butthurt.
Wow, I did not know that.

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Well, something trump needs to add to his first 100 days...deal with Trump U class action lawsuit.

He's a defendant on the one scheduled to start November 28th in Cali. Trump's attorney has asked to have the date moved to January after he's sworn in as POTUS.

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Well, something trump needs to add to his first 100 days...deal with Trump U class action lawsuit.

He's a defendant on the one scheduled to start November 28th in Cali. Trump's attorney has asked to have the date moved to January after he's sworn in as POTUS.

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He'll settle and it will be over very quickly.
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Depends on how you define "riot." Was there nothing but endless demands, including demands by Trump himself to provide a birth certificate and other nonsense, yes. Followed by 8 years of insults from Conservative followers throwing out things like that Obama was a secret Muslim, calling him "Obummer" and all kinds of disrespect.

So this concept that now is the time to sing khumbaya and all come together didn't seem to happen 8 years ago, why now?

When Conversatives are anger, their disappointment seems to be justified and sanctified, everyone else is "butthurt" and are insulted over concerns. You can scream until you are blue in the face crazy making about how concerned you are about gun control and how they are taking your guns away, but having concerns when Mike Pence has expressed his view that teenagers should get shock therapy to stop being gay, well - hey, just stop being butthurt.
The media lies to you, quit believing them. Just as much a lie as Obama was born in Kenya. If you want to be mad about the conversion therapy that is one thing, but the shock therapy is a direct lie.
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He'll settle and it will be over very quickly.
He hasn't acted as expected throughout, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. He might just surprise everyone and go through with it. The judge is going to rule on the change of date request Monday but he's already hinted at denying it. If Trump is going to settle, he's got 2 weeks and 2 days from today to get it done.

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He hasn't acted as expected throughout, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. He might just surprise everyone and go through with it. The judge is going to rule on the change of date request Monday but he's already hinted at denying it. If Trump is going to settle, he's got 2 weeks and 2 days from today to get it done.

We'll have to wait and see.

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Your probably right, he would be smart to settle but you are right who knows with him. He seems to like a fight. Although now he is like a different guy.
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Your probably right, he would be smart to settle but you are right who knows with him. He seems to like a fight. Although now he is like a different guy.
Honestly, I wish he would settle. The plaintiffs would get back some of their money and it would be one less mark against him. But I'm not holding my breath on this one.

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The media lies to you, quit believing them. Just as much a lie as Obama was born in Kenya. If you want to be mad about the conversion therapy that is one thing, but the shock therapy is a direct lie.
Okay, I bought the lie.

So - I'll change my statement - Mike Pence and some conservatives have undefined ideas about what parents should be able to legally do to "fix" their gay/transgender/binary children. What he meant we don't actually know because he hasn't clarified. Neither has the Republican party who only commented that conversion therapy isn't officially on their platform. While it's no longer an official recommendation to use shock therapy to attempt to "pray the gay away" there's are limited states where it's actually illegal to use ECT on minors as long as it is deemed "medically necessary."

So could conversion therapy include ECT in some states, yes, yes it could.

Does it bother me - the idea that people would consider "conversion therapy" a right for parents to choose, but some of the same folks feel the government should be able to force children to get vaccines against an ever growing list of things like chickenpox, yes, yes it does.

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His Presidency is already successful before inauguration, because he kept the Wicked Witch of Arkansas out of the White House.

I expect him to have further achievements, but that is enough for me to be happy!
I would agree with the first part. In fact it is probably one of the only reasons I can think of to support or defend Trump. Thanks for being honest.
As to the second part, not so much. I think he has alienated his own party and will already have to deal with opposition from the Dems. I doubt he will achieve much of anything. In fact I think if you want to keep track, his admin will probably turn out to be one of the least effective in the past 50 years. And any "achievements" he may have will probably come back to bite us in the azz even more so than those of Reagan's, either Bush's, Clinton's or Obama's.

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This is why Trump's promises to bring back jobs will probably fail. Not because he's not a good POTUS, but because even the man in that position doesn't have the power to defy economic reality. If you want to worship unbridled capitalism, you get the whole thing, lock, stock, and barrel.

"The Carrier plant here is plenty profitable. But moving to Monterrey, where workers earn in a day what they make here in an hour, will increase profits faster."

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I agree with the gist of this post, with the one exception being that it isn't really unbridled capitalism that is being worshipped. We don't even have a capitalist economy anymore. Rather we have a corporatist economy, with rules and regulations written to enhance corporate "profit" aka greed. For some reason it seems really important that corporate profits be maximized while any tax on those profits are minimized as much as possible.
If one were to look at history, they would find out that back in the golden days of the 1950's when "conservatives" claim America was great, corporations paid approximately 35% of the taxes collected. Today in this age of "one of the highest corporate tax rate in the world" corporations pay less than 11% of all federal taxes. Income taxes have remained relatively stable, while the most regressive tax of all, payroll taxes have ballooned.

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CNN did an interview with Warren Buffet that was well worth the listen.

He was a Hillary supporter but took a very respectful and pragmatic approach to discussing Trump. I was impressed. Makes me wish that if we had to have a pure businessman in the White House that it would have been him.

http://http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/...ock/index.html
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One of our Aussie politicians, far-right Pauline Hanson, inspired by "Trumpism" has now also come out of the closet. Unfortunately I find her speech rather embarrassing and weak. "We need a leader to match Trump", yet it seems the years of political correctness and hiding in the closet has impaired her rhetoric skill. Cringe-worthy!

Still I have hope that in time "Trumpism" will have its effect here as well. So tired of the PC crap, I want my enemies where I can see 'em.
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I will go on record and say it. I believe Trump will govern like the New York Business man he is, and a guy who backed Hillary 12 years ago. Pretty much a moderate Democrat.

Meaning he will favor business and be somewhat conservative when it comes to wall street.
He probably won't balance the budget but will give lip service to it, and do some things late in his term if he lasts 8 years when he doesn't have to get re-elected. Kind of like Clinton did, and NJ Governor Christy is doing now. (If we stay on this course the budget will be balanced in 20 year, knowing full well no one has any intention of staying the course). No one with any power will care.
He will favor wall street about the same as Hillary would have, less regulations, allow more corruption as long as it doesn't get out of hand and people are making money.
He will be more liberal when it comes to social issues, gay right and such and will probably mostly stay away from them.
He will not touch any of the Republican's holy grails though such as gun control.
We may get a late term abortion ban which from what I hear is pretty common in Europe. The media will act like it is a full ban on abortions. Non-Conservative Woman will be worried for about a week.
No Muslim Ban, but will talk tough and be called racist. Muslims though rarely affected, except for the unlucky ones who bump into the mentally ill, will be scared, the media will have many interviews with them talking about their fears, Americans by and large won't care.
Obamacare will be repealed but the things people like about it like preexisting conditions will still exist. The rest will be health savings accounts and such, this will won't work in the long run also. This won't matter though because this will only affect the poor and Americans only care about the poor as much as it affects their wallet. So as long as working Americans premiums don't go up too much they won't care.
There will be no wall except for some symbolic area, but we will have comprehensive immigration reform of the kind that moderate republicans are proposing. The far right will rail against this for about 3 months, and vote for him again.
No large scale wars.
No tariffs though better deals for USA as far as treaties go. This will last for a few years then the House and Senate will slip something in a bill at the last minute to change it back for there business friends when no one is looking. People will complain, life will go on.
The deficit will go up. A very few people will complain, eventually this will come to a head, I hope after I am gone from this earth. Whomever we owe money to is never getting paid. Ever.
No major government reform like term limits for example (the swamp will stay just as swampy as it ever was and grow).
No pulling out of NATO, though we may not have to pay as much for it.
He will favor the police and be "tough" on crime. (he will be called a racist for this but most Americans want to support cops and this will not hurt him at all, also most white Americans have little empathy for black Americans reasonable ambivalent relationship with police, nor do they care). It also won't effect anything one way or the other, just like Obama hasn't effected anything when it comes to this. It's just posturing.
Conservative Judges but not as conservative as the far right wants. Roberts who didn't stop Obamacare comes to mind. Though every judge will be presented by the media as as far right as Hitler.
Far left progressives will be in the streets for the next 4 years calling him a racist and stupidly also anyone supporting him by proxy, they will generally look weird and occasionally riot. Because of this unless we get another recession or a scandal (not talking about divorcing his wife because he has a mistress kind of scandal) he will win a second term.

So the only difference from Hillary will be Obamacare, Late term abortion, judges who are not as left as Ginsburg (but not Scalia either), and giving lip service to the Cops as apposed to BLM. Because he is not Hillary there will be no blatant double standards, less arrogant or better at hiding braking the rules. No Bill Clinton sleaziness. No identity politics and Social justice bragging ever 10 minutes. Much less media cheer leading and phoniness. Instead we will get to see the media in full on progressive hate mode without the pretense of being fair and balanced, unless it's Fox or Bretbart who will be the opposite. Trump will lash out and put his foot in his mouth about once a week. And everything he says no matter how irrelevant will twisted as sexiest and racist by the media. The few racist and sexist things he does say will be totally ignored by most of the country who could care less about that or will just get used to it.

So mostly the same.

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