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How could a "moron" win the Presidency of the United States?

I have seen a number of claims on the 'net, including Well we put the clown in office...sigh, that Trump is a moron (or clown, idiot, etc.).

If this is true, then how can one explain how he could win the Presidency when opposed by the following:

1. What has been widely recognized to be the most effective political "machine" (not using the word pejoratively, just descriptively) in the world, namely the Hillary Clinton campaign;
2. The mainstream media;
3. The Republican establishment; and
4. The Democratic establishment

while spending 1/2 as much per vote as his opponent did, without counting the hundreds of millions of dollars of free media that his opponent got in the general election?

Yes, I know that he got a lot of free (positive) media, but that was all before he got the nomination. As soon as he was nominated, the knives came out.

So if he is a moron, what does that make his opposition?


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I think that he is sly as a fox.

He knew now to manipulate all that, kept it in the air like a master juggler.
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I don't know if the man is a moron or not. I do know that his facility with the English language is, in my estimation, poor. I also know objectively that language skills correlate highly with overall intelligence. So he 'feels' less intelligent to me than any of his predecessors in some time.

That impression has to be offset by his super power - to work any situation to his personal advantage. Was his birther horse**** from a decade ago a master stroke of genius for pulling in a large swath of the electorate to his cause? Could be. It sure seems that he is good at taking the temperature of a room.

It also seems a little odd to be worried about whether he is dumb or not. The whole anti-elitist argument has as a principle that you don't have to be terribly smart to succeed, but then they turn around and try to convince you that he really IS smart after all? Trump didn't run on his brains, or his policies, or any high flying rhetoric. He ran, and won, on populism. A populist only has to be smart enough to recognize what people want to hear.
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I have seen a number of claims on the 'net, including Well we put the clown in office...sigh, that Trump is a moron (or clown, idiot, etc.).

If this is true, then how can one explain how he could win the Presidency when opposed by the following:

1. What has been widely recognized to be the most effective political "machine" (not using the word pejoratively, just descriptively) in the world, namely the Hillary Clinton campaign;
2. The mainstream media;
3. The Republican establishment; and
4. The Democratic establishment

while spending 1/2 as much per vote as his opponent did, without counting the hundreds of millions of dollars of free media that his opponent got in the general election?

Yes, I know that he got a lot of free (positive) media, but that was all before he got the nomination. As soon as he was nominated, the knives came out.

So if he is a moron, what does that make his opposition?
No moron. He seized the largest, angriest unrepresented voting block available and said exactly what they wanted to hear. Politics 101. That people fell for it is the real issue. Nothing learned.
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I don't know if the man is a moron or not. I do know that his facility with the English language is, in my estimation, poor. I also know objectively that language skills correlate highly with overall intelligence. So he 'feels' less intelligent to me than any of his predecessors in some time.

That impression has to be offset by his super power - to work any situation to his personal advantage. Was his birther horse**** from a decade ago a master stroke of genius for pulling in a large swath of the electorate to his cause? Could be. It sure seems that he is good at taking the temperature of a room.

It also seems a little odd to be worried about whether he is dumb or not. The whole anti-elitist argument has as a principle that you don't have to be terribly smart to succeed, but then they turn around and try to convince you that he really IS smart after all? Trump didn't run on his brains, or his policies, or any high flying rhetoric. He ran, and won, on populism. A populist only has to be smart enough to recognize what people want to hear.
Do you think it is accurate to call him a populist when his tax plan is so skewed towards the top tenth of the one percent?

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She could have addressed them, too. I was reading this morning that Bill Clinton spoke up to her leadership committee several times about it, but was rebuffed. They sure paid for that Tues. night.

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I don't know if the man is a moron or not. I do know that his facility with the English language is, in my estimation, poor. I also know objectively that language skills correlate highly with overall intelligence. So he 'feels' less intelligent to me than any of his predecessors in some time.
What about "Dubya"? He was by far the most downright stupid President we've ever had.

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Do you think it is accurate to call him a populist when his tax plan is so skewed towards the top tenth of the one percent?
Yes, because he didn't run on his tax plan.

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She could have addressed them, too. I was reading this morning that Bill Clinton spoke up to her leadership committee several times about it, but was rebuffed. They sure paid for that Tues. night.
No, she could not. This group had their anger stoked by Fox and right wing talk radio. 15 years of constant messaging that liberals are evil, unpatriotic, hate America, etc., etc. Those folks will never vote for any Dem. Even when their interests are not served, they believe the propaganda completely. Sheep.
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No, she could not. This group had their anger stoked by Fox and right wing talk radio. 15 years of constant messaging that liberals are evil, unpatriotic, hate America, etc., etc.
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Even her husband thought it was an area that was being overlooked, Anon. I think there was potential there.


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What about "Dubya"? He was by far the most downright stupid President we've ever had.
I don't know. He was no Rhodes scholar, and he did have a penchant for making up words, but he at least tried to use adjectives beyond "huge" and "tremendous" once in a while. I always thought the village idiot meme was a little too harsh, even if I laughed at the curious George cartoons.

Today, I almost miss the man. When I thought America had made a poor choice, I had no idea of what we were capable.

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Trump is not a moron. He is however a reckless individual who has no qualms about rushing headlong into the fray. The way he spends his companies' moneys erratically, hedges his fortunes on stupidly risky ventures, and then expects the banks to bail him out....that kind of crap is what scares me about him.

Frankly, I don't think Trump is any more devious or immoral or aggressive than any other head of industry. I've done constructions projects for billionaires in Arizona, California and Texas, and they are all, to a man, aggressive, competitive and arrogant. They have to be. To exert that kind of control over big corporations you have to be slicker and stronger than your competitors.

Right now I'm building two restaurants for the owner of the Houston Astros, and while I do like him, he has a ruthlessness that scares me sometimes. And he's what?...one out of a hundred or so billionaires here in Houston?
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Everything he ran on he cannot do. If conservatives are smart, they will realize their mistake soon enough. Trump will succeed in all the things that make him and the wealthy richer. That is the plan for the next 4 years.
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I think some people were looking at it. It was released before the election, after all.

And, who knows, it may be part of why the markets stabilized so quickly after he won. The elite know he is an ally.

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Everything he ran on he cannot do. If conservatives are smart, they will realize their mistake soon enough. Trump will succeed in all the things that make him and the wealthy richer. That is the plan for the next 4 years.
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I wonder if we will hear about the national debt anymore . . .

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