Struggling with my so called "Conservative" stance... - Page 4 - Talk About Marriage
Politics and Religion This is the place to discuss politics, morality, religion, and anything controversial.

User Tag List

 422Likes
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
post #46 of 348 (permalink) Old 11-14-2016, 06:17 PM
Moderator
 
EleGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 31,653
Re: Struggling with my so called "Conservative" stance...

Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyAmorous View Post
So you at least can emphasize why I feel this way... this is the height of ugly greedy selfish business practices. ... utterly Shameful, disgraceful.... this is a moral issue to me.. but we can't legislate morality... we have to allow people the freedom to be the vilest they can.. that's american , after all..
I do not just empathize with the way you feel. I get it completely and have similar concerns. Though I might look at some of it a bit differently than you, I think that the goal of our points of view are the same… that everyone who works should earn a good, living wage and have some measure of financial security. That is what is good for all of us and our society.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyAmorous View Post
I realize now all I can do is VOTE...
And often the vote just seems rigged anyway.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyAmorous View Post
But Elegirl.. not everyone can just start their own business.. that's not realistic.. this is where I sometimes see a great divide between the upper & lower classes.. you may have achieved it and been successful, you are a very intelligent woman.... but so many would only destruct their lives, enter into financial ruin to go down that road...some can't even manage a household.. or their kids, let alone a business..
You would be surprised how easy it is to start your own business. In the last 2 years..

I helped a guy who was unemployed for years start a business. His startup cost was about $1,000. Today he’s earning about $40,000 doing. Sure he’s not getting rich. But he’s only just started. I’m working with him to add more services and a store to his website.

There is a young lady I know who lost her job. She has 2 children and a husband who is unable to work. In the last 3 months I’ve helped her start a business writing resumes. She already had a computer. Her startup cost has been about $400. She’s starting to earn enough to get on her feet. The goal is for her to get her income up to about $100,000 a year.

There is another guy who does yard work. I created a website for him and showed him how to advertise on places like craigslist. He’s now working full time and is hiring some guy because he now has more work than he needs. His startup costs? Well he already had tools. So the website service cost him about $150 for the year. I did his website for free.

{I do this because I enjoy it… kind of fun to show people how they can be self-sufficient.}
Plus anyone who wants to can go to the Small Business Administration in their town, take their classes and get help from their business think tanks. They help strategize, write business plans, get financing, etc.

Each of these is a small business. But if these people keep on the road they are going, they could easily grow into something that employs a few people. How do you think the biggest landscape business here in town started? The one that makes a few million a year in profit? Some guy right out of high school just started going door to door asking if people needed work done. I have a friend from high school who started a business that cleans up after fires and disasters. He too stared right out of high school by word of mouth.

What most people do not realize is that most businesses are created very similarly to this. Most jobs are created by small businesses. This idea that someone has to have millions or billions to start a business is nonsense. The small business… capitalism, the is backbone of the US economy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyAmorous View Post
I'm not trying to be down on myself in this way.. just imagining saying this to some of the people I know.. that's a pipe dream... Could I pull it off.. if I had enough passion & drive. probably.. I'm not hurting enough to venture there.. I'd opt to go back to where I worked.. in Direct care, for the assume health benefits (sucky job, great benefits !) working overtime to keep what I have.. if things got tight.. hoping that would sustain us..
Then go to work in direct care. And if you do that, you are going to work for someone who invested a lot of their own capital to create the company you work for. If they company fails, they lose their shirt. So they gain the most from the investment.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyAmorous View Post
No doubt this is the truth .. I think I recall where Trump corrected Hilary in a debate... how he had HER & Bill bought ... or something like that.. she had no response ... what a racket.
LOL

EleGirl is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #47 of 348 (permalink) Old 11-14-2016, 06:36 PM
Forum Supporter
 
MarriedDude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: ORYGUN
Posts: 1,850
Re: Struggling with my so called "Conservative" stance...

Quote:
Originally Posted by EleGirl View Post
I think that the average worker is not so much looking at what CEOs earn. Instead they are looking at what they earn. And many cannot even find jobs, still. Many found jobs but work only part time now or make a small percentage of what they used to earn.

Obama promised to work towards getting good jobs and helping this problem. He did nothing really for 8 years.

So now people decided to see if Trump will keep his promise to help with things like the infrastructure work, making trade fairer for the USA and bringing businesses and industries back to the USA.

The rich do not need use working folk to stand up for them. We need to be standing up for our own interests. And so far both parties have been on the side of the large corporations because they are bought and paid for.



.
I wanted to like this x's 1000

Holes burn deep in your chest,
Raked by machine gun fire.
Screaming soul sent out to die,
Living mandatory suicide.
MarriedDude is offline  
post #48 of 348 (permalink) Old 11-14-2016, 06:57 PM
Forum Supporter
 
arbitrator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Central Texas/Brazos Valley
Posts: 11,095
Cool Re: Struggling with my so called "Conservative" stance...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
Yes he has. Why just this year, he quoted from Two Corinthians in front of an audience. I saw the tape.

Hell, I'm an atheist and even I cringed when I heard that one.
I really don't think he actually picked the Bible up! He read it either off of his speech notes or TelePrompTer, where someone equally dumb as him quoted it for him! Verbatim!

Even the "Two Corinthians" part!

Posted via Mobile Device

"To love another person is to see the face of God!" - Jean Valjean from Les Miserables

My Story! http://talkaboutmarriage.com/going-t...andonment.html
arbitrator is offline  
 
post #49 of 348 (permalink) Old 11-14-2016, 07:08 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,484
Re: Struggling with my so called "Conservative" stance...

Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyAmorous View Post
Here is what I think... Ok fine.. he was left off the hook.. why forever - if he turned a profit of a billion the following year (he probably did & then some many times over ) .. ya know what... the poor man or woman may have massive debt (to them that could be $10,000), let's say in health care costs (yeah I am pounding that - because I hate how some are screwed over by it)...


Does our tax law care or allow their bills to be exempt that year because they couldn't afford it.. of course not.. they'd still be on the hook even if it took them the next 30 years to pay..so these big business Tycoons.. I think they should have to pay it back once they hit the BIG windfall - as its always going to be coming for the "Trumps" of our time...
This only comes into play until the losses are offset.

If Trump lost a billion in 1995, made a billion in 1996 and made another billion in 1997; the 1995 loss would offset the 1996 earnings. He would pay full taxes on 1997 and anything else he made thereafter.

He probably didn't pay taxes for many years because it (no doubt) took him quite a while to make back the $916 million.

If investors couldn't offset profits with losses from losing years, they'd probably invest a whole lot less.

Investment is what causes jobs and rising wages (if the investments increase productivity).

As easy a target as Trump may appear to be, aiming at people like him will likely end up shooting yourself in the foot.
Buddy400 is offline  
post #50 of 348 (permalink) Old 11-14-2016, 07:11 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
SimplyAmorous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 13,818
Re: Struggling with my so called "Conservative" stance...

Quote:
Originally Posted by EleGirl View Post
There is a young lady I know who lost her job. She has 2 children and a husband who is unable to work. In the last 3 months I’ve helped her start a business writing resumes. She already had a computer. Her startup cost has been about $400. She’s starting to earn enough to get on her feet. The goal is for her to get her income up to about $100,000 a year.

There is another guy who does yard work. I created a website for him and showed him how to advertise on places like craigslist. He’s now working full time and is hiring some guy because he now has more work than he needs. His startup costs? Well he already had tools. So the website service cost him about $150 for the year. I did his website for free.

{I do this because I enjoy it… kind of fun to show people how they can be self-sufficient.}
Plus anyone who wants to can go to the Small Business Administration in their town, take their classes and get help from their business think tanks. They help strategize, write business plans, get financing, etc.

Each of these is a small business. But if these people keep on the road they are going, they could easily grow into something that employs a few people. How do you think the biggest landscape business here in town started? The one that makes a few million a year in profit? Some guy right out of high school just started going door to door asking if people needed work done. I have a friend from high school who started a business that cleans up after fires and disasters. He too stared right out of high school by word of mouth.

What most people do not realize is that most businesses are created very similarly to this. Most jobs are created by small businesses. This idea that someone has to have millions or billions to start a business is nonsense. The small business… capitalism, the is backbone of the US economy.
So if I ever find myself down & out..... I can come to you, you'd help me make a viable website advertising my services?

Everything you say sounds Great... for the simple man or woman who has some skill, what they could offer, owning lawn equipment, tools, whatever.....

What comes to my mind immediately .. again .. is Health care affordability... I was reading a bit about Obamacare earlier and it could be as high as $350 a month / per person with a $10,000 a year deductible before it starts to pay anything.. I find that completely absurd.. it's because of plans like this.. people opt to blow it off.. NOT go to the doctor till they are on death's door..

We have a friend who clearly has a skin cancer on his face, married 2 kids.. no insurance on him & her.. they just wing it. I guess one could say he does his own Business.. he's an accountant... I told him he can't afford to blow this off.. this is his life.. .he was telling me he went to the skin Doctor...she refused him because he didn't have insurance.. I know from my own bills this year -this will likely cost him like $4,000 easily out of pocket to get treated... he's one of those who's opted to pay the fine over buying the insurance which he feels is worthless since the deductible could be as high as $12,000 a year - or did he say $15,000 ...... their kids qualify for Chip I guess..

I am wondering , do most of these small businesses who are starting out, making peanuts at 1st...to get off the ground.. just hope & pray they don't get sick then ? How can they afford these plans ... I would be terrified if I didn't have an adequate affordable health plan and a health crisis came upon us...

That's my "monkey wrench" question for those starting out.. it would be so much easier if a spouse was there to carry the plan.. then none of this would be a concern.
SimplyAmorous is offline  
post #51 of 348 (permalink) Old 11-14-2016, 07:28 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,484
Re: Struggling with my so called "Conservative" stance...

Quote:
Originally Posted by meson View Post
The simple solution is to increase corporate taxes and personal taxes for the wealthy so that they will be less likely to get out of paying taxes they should pay.
Obviously there must be some level of taxation at which high earners will stop working so hard to make money. We can argue about what that level might be, but there is such a level and raising taxes above that level would be counter productive.

The rich already pay most of federal income taxes. Approximately half pay nothing at all.

The rich pay majority of U.S. income taxes - Mar. 12, 2013

When setting corporate taxes, one needs to be aware of the competition. If our corporate tax rates are higher than other country's (they are), then corporations will set up business in other countries instead of here (which they are doing).

What happens in corporations pay higher taxes (ignoring the point above)? They will either charge more for their products which hurts the consumer, they don't invest in the business to increase productivity (which hurts employee wages), pay less (limit raises) or they reduce profits (which hurts the people who own their stock).

I'm guessing that you'd be okay with the stockholders losing money. The problem is that the stockholders are usually pension funds and 401k plans.

General Motors Company (GM) Ownership Summary - NASDAQ.com

Sure, reducing the value of the stock might cost a billionaire the new yacht he was looking forward to but it also might catch a few thousand retired teacher's houses as collateral damage.

The widening gap between the rich and the poor is due to asset inflation in the stock market. The poor don't own stocks, don't have the money to invest in their 401k and don't have a pension.

This gap widened on Obama's watch.
Buddy400 is offline  
post #52 of 348 (permalink) Old 11-14-2016, 07:37 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
SimplyAmorous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 13,818
Re: Struggling with my so called "Conservative" stance...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy400 View Post
As easy a target as Trump may appear to be, aiming at people like him will likely end up shooting yourself in the foot.
I think many of us are already shot in the foot.. Oh I'm not foolish enough to think anything will ever change.. the greedy will continue to be Greedy.. though there was a time we wouldn't defend this.. that time has passed...

I rented the movie not long ago.. just to see a speech on that here >> Wall Street Movie CLIP - Greed Is Good (1987) HD..

I guess this was inspired by Ivan Boesky... the real man, the real speech.. EDUCATION 'Greed Is Good': Top 7 Most Piggish Commencement Speeches

Quote:
1. Ivan Boesky at Berkeley, 1986

Ivan Boesky was a big-time stock trader who hustled his way to riches betting on corporate takeovers. On May 18, 1986 at the University of California, Berkeley, he shared these lustrous pearls of wisdom with business school students:

“Greed is all right, by the way. I want you to know that. I think greed is healthy. You can be greedy and still feel good about yourself.”

Boesky clearly felt very good about himself at the time. But not for long. Several months after the address, Boesky was nabbed by the SEC when it found that his stock manipulations were often based on tips from corporate insiders which is –oopsie! – illegal. Mr. Greed soon found himself in possession of a nice prison cell.

Oliver Stone used Boesky’s speech as the inspiration for one given by the ethically challenged corporate raider Gordon Gekko in the 1987 film Wall Street. “Greed is good” became the catchphrase for Wall Street callousness and excess.
SimplyAmorous is offline  
post #53 of 348 (permalink) Old 11-14-2016, 07:40 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,484
Re: Struggling with my so called "Conservative" stance...

Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyAmorous View Post

Just answer me this.. is the average American really OK with this ??

Would you feel better if it took you an hour to buy a gallon of milk if the richest person took a half hour?

What if it took you just 5 minutes to buy a gallon of milk and the richest 1% could buy a million gallons of milk an hour?

What if the only way you could get from the first situation to the second was if you had an economy which allowed some people to be much richer than others?

I think the only reason to prefer the first situation would be envy.
Buddy400 is offline  
post #54 of 348 (permalink) Old 11-14-2016, 07:43 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,484
Re: Struggling with my so called "Conservative" stance...

Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyAmorous View Post
I think many of us are already shot in the foot.. Oh I'm not foolish enough to think anything will ever change.. the greedy will continue to be Greedy.
The best way to deal with greed is to set up a system which takes advantage of their greed to help society in general.
Buddy400 is offline  
post #55 of 348 (permalink) Old 11-14-2016, 07:50 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
SimplyAmorous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 13,818
Re: Struggling with my so called "Conservative" stance...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy1001 View Post
Go to the agm of any big company and watch what happens.The first thing up for discussion is the directors compensation.If there are a lot of small shareholders then you will nearly always have some objections.
They may as well stay at home.
The large investment trusts,insurance companies,banks,fund managers etc will own most of the shares and the last thing they want is any unrest in the boardroom which might make it to the financial journals,so after the objections the vote will be taken and everything will go on as normal.The share price has to be protected at all costs.
The math used at the start of the thread by EleGirl while being very simplistic also proves an interesting point.If everyone used this formula there would be no need for accountants or tax lawyers.
But who would spend years and millions of dollars trying to develop new drugs or new anything.A lot of billionaires spent years trying to develop ways of doing things but they used tax breaks as funding and they get slaughtered for it.
I'm not taking any particular side here but it's not always as simple as people think.
My slaughtering and disdain is not for what you spoke here.... it's well & good when a person has a passion for Progress, to better our world, they have a gift to offer....funding is often needed.. Yes...we understand that..

I have so much respect for those like Jonas Salk (very old example... to me, he's a Hero, one I recommended a son to write a report on once)....for Medical advances...I am thankful I live in the age of C-sections, Viagra, and Bill Gates -by the way our teen sons have commented a # of times what a great man he is.. Greedy & him would not go in the same sentence, even IF he is one of the richest men alive...(I don't know his rank)...He's someone who gives back... puts his money where his mouth is...a philanthropist...

I so admire those who hold the highest offices and show how it's supposed to be done...to better our world..

SimplyAmorous is offline  
post #56 of 348 (permalink) Old 11-14-2016, 07:59 PM
Moderator
 
EleGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 31,653
Re: Struggling with my so called "Conservative" stance...

Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyAmorous View Post
So if I ever find myself down & out..... I can come to you, you'd help me make a viable website advertising my services?
Everything you say sounds Great... for the simple man or woman who has some skill, what they could offer, owning lawn equipment, tools, whatever.....
For you SA? You bet I would.

Plus, anyone can go the SBA and they are all kinds of help there for people who want to start a business. It does not matter how big the business is. Their entire purpose is to help people start businesses.

Most people can do something. Another woman I know makes and sells dresses for elementary school age girls. She sells them on line. I did not help her with this. She already had the business before I met her. She makes more than she would working part time and can be home with her kids doing this.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyAmorous View Post
What comes to my mind immediately .. again .. is Health care affordability... I was reading a bit about Obamacare earlier and it could be as high as $350 a month / per person with a $10,000 a year deductible before it starts to pay anything.. I find that completely absurd.. it's because of plans like this.. people opt to blow it off.. NOT go to the doctor till they are on death's door..
That’s right. There are serious problems with the ACA. I don’t think it needs to be thrown out completely. But we’ve had it long enough to know what the serious problems are and we need to fix this.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyAmorous View Post
We have a friend who clearly has a skin cancer on his face, married 2 kids.. no insurance on him & her.. they just wing it. I guess one could say he does his own Business.. he's an accountant... I told him he can't afford to blow this off.. this is his life.. .he was telling me he went to the skin Doctor...she refused him because he didn't have insurance.. I know from my own bills this year -this will likely cost him like $4,000 easily out of pocket to get treated... he's one of those who's opted to pay the fine over buying the insurance which he feels is worthless since the deductible could be as high as $12,000 a year - or did he say $15,000 ...... their kids qualify for Chip I guess..
See, that’s ridiculous. What good does it do?
Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyAmorous View Post
I am wondering , do most of these small businesses who are starting out, making peanuts at 1st...to get off the ground.. just hope & pray they don't get sick then ? How can they afford these plans ... I would be terrified if I didn't have an adequate affordable health plan and a health crisis came upon us...
Most states allow low income people to go on Medicaid at no monthly premium. So they just pay co-pays. The people I’ve been helping start out on Medicaid and stay on it until they are earning enough to pay for insurance.

Here a person can get health insurance for $264 a month with $3,000 deductible (I just picked a mid way policy off a website to quote).

Once a person is making enough to have got off Medicaid, they can probably get subsidized medical care until they are earning whatever is needed to be booted off that.


Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyAmorous View Post
That's my "monkey wrench" question for those starting out.. it would be so much easier if a spouse was there to carry the plan.. then none of this would be a concern.
Sure it’s a lot easier if there is a spouse to carry the plan. A lot of people do that. But if they are starting out very low income, they can start out on Medicaid.
EleGirl is online now  
post #57 of 348 (permalink) Old 11-14-2016, 08:22 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
SimplyAmorous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 13,818
Re: Struggling with my so called "Conservative" stance...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy400 View Post
Would you feel better if it took you an hour to buy a gallon of milk if the richest person took a half hour?

What if it took you just 5 minutes to buy a gallon of milk and the richest 1% could buy a million gallons of milk an hour?

What if the only way you could get from the first situation to the second was if you had an economy which allowed some people to be much richer than others?

I think the only reason to prefer the first situation would be envy.
so you don't have any issues with the huge disparity.. asking these questions.. I don't see the point.. it's a freaking huge disparity.. if that speaks nothing to you, or you want to argue this somehow.. .. I GET IT.....it's loud & clear...though I am surprised that so many feel like you.. I'll just go sit back in my corner...

I am not envious of these people.. I'm not a materialist type of woman..oh I have some complaints in life.. but it's never been that I longed for more wealth.. I feel very blessed with our simple life in the country.. so far we have good health...but still I would like a world where health care is not an issue for the working man & women though... as you see I keep mentioning this.. there was a poster on another thread..... who I felt was very callous to another's situation.. a child with cancer...how Obama's plan saved a tremendous amount of worry during the darkest of times in their lives... he says something back how this is a privilege.. not a right...

Ok.. so really .. can we just be brutally honest here.. a # of conservative Republicans actually do feel - if you are not savvy enough, worked hard enough to be successful, stupid enough to not get a job where health benefits cover you (these are not easy to find anymore)...so basically the unlucky son of a B who has a major health crisis who didn't have coverage under his belt... even if this person works 60 hrs a week trying to take care of his family.....so what - let the sucker die, his kids too!! Hell yeah...

Just wish these Politicians & their followers would just speak it as it REALLY IS.. how they REALLY FEEL... that yes.. it's perfectly fine for the mega rich to give themselves endless perks, golden health care plans.. but the sorry rest of us.. "that's the breaks"....
SimplyAmorous is offline  
post #58 of 348 (permalink) Old 11-14-2016, 08:36 PM Thread Starter
Member
 
SimplyAmorous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 13,818
Re: Struggling with my so called "Conservative" stance...

Quote:
Originally Posted by EleGirl View Post
Once a person is making enough to have got off Medicaid, they can probably get subsidized medical care until they are earning whatever is needed to be booted off that.
In our state.. I don't even think an adult can get medicaid unless they are disabled, on drugs, diagnosed mental issues, living on public assistance- meaning housing / food stamps...

One of my best GF's.. for years.. she worked at a factory, then a hotel ... had 2 kids..I'm guessing she only made something like $15,000 a year ... she was eligible to get heating assistance, help with her car...but NOT MEDICAID.... I've met numerous parents who go without - but their kids have it.. in this way..I can see the lack of motivation to start anything as they would immediately loose those benefits ..

Thankfully she met a wonderful guy.. they married.. then she finally made a Doctor's appointment... this was a luxury to her...
SimplyAmorous is offline  
post #59 of 348 (permalink) Old 11-14-2016, 08:46 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 993
Re: Struggling with my so called "Conservative" stance...

I see your empathy for the low income workers who can't afford health insurance, SA. ACA was written by the lobbyists and special interest groups. It is over 25K pages and as far as I know, no one has read it. The Dems rammed it through and Obama broke his promise to allow for adequate vetting time. Like Pelosi said, they had to pass it to know what's in it. My sister bought into it and now she has a hard time finding a service provider who would accept ACA, and she lives in a major city.
becareful2 is offline  
post #60 of 348 (permalink) Old 11-14-2016, 09:04 PM
Moderator
 
EleGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 31,653
Re: Struggling with my so called "Conservative" stance...

Quote:
Originally Posted by SimplyAmorous View Post
In our state.. I don't even think an adult can get medicaid unless they are disabled, on drugs, diagnosed mental issues, living on public assistance- meaning housing / food stamps...

One of my best GF's.. for years.. she worked at a factory, then a hotel ... had 2 kids..I'm guessing she only made something like $15,000 a year ... she was eligible to get heating assistance, help with her car...but NOT MEDICAID.... I've met numerous parents who go without - but their kids have it.. in this way..I can see the lack of motivation to start anything as they would immediately loose those benefits ..

Thankfully she met a wonderful guy.. they married.. then she finally made a Doctor's appointment... this was a luxury to her...
Well, we cannot do anything about what it was like years ago. Since 2015 adults can get Medicaid.

Adults with income up to 138% of FPL (federal poverty level) are eligible for Medicaid. Children in homes with incomes up to 319% of FPL are eligible for Medicaid or CHIP.

https://www.healthinsurance.org/pennsylvania-medicaid/


Federal Poverty Guidelines
Federal Poverty Guidelines | Families USA

If they are still low income but above this limit, they can get subsidized health care through the ACA market place.
EleGirl is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on Talk About Marriage, you must first register. Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

Important! Your username will be visible to the public next to anything you post and could show up in search engines like Google. If you are concerned about anonymity, PLEASE choose a username that will not be recognizable to anyone you know.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Struggling with Reconciliation Sallysman21 The Men's Clubhouse 29 08-12-2016 09:45 AM
Struggling with Progression after all that's happened. liza.melani Coping with Infidelity 4 04-13-2016 08:48 PM
Newly married and struggling. Need advice! busybee1 General Relationship Discussion 11 02-04-2016 12:47 PM
I feel in my gut my Hub is having an affair with my so called BF sharplle General Relationship Discussion 114 01-11-2016 12:06 AM
Struggling with this decision gaby Considering Divorce or Separation 20 12-28-2015 09:44 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome