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I'm disturbed that I seem to have used the wrong tone here entirely. I am VERY sympathetic to your situation and others in it. I'm not the least bit interested in the well being of rich people. Anyone who is willing to show up for work for 40 hours / week and do their best should be able make a decent living and afford a reasonable level of health care.

I believe in capitalism because I care about people exactly like you. The problem is that "everyone looking out for their own self interest" sure doesn't sound good, but it's been the only economic system that's worked to improve the lives of most people (remember that the whole of human history has consisted of the great majority of people living in grinding poverty).

I'm not interested in people's motivation, I care about results.



Neither am I. I look at capitalism as a way of tricking smart, driven people to work way too hard and ignore their families in order to improve the lives of everyone. It's just that, in order for capitalism to benefit the masses, some people have to get really stinking rich (some undeservedly so). That's the price that needs to be paid.



Just because the ACA helped some people doesn't mean that it was the best way to help the most people. Conservatives didn't oppose the ACA because it cost money or because they hated Obama. It was a bad policy that catered to the interests of the drug companies, insurance companies and the health care industry. There are far better ways to make health care affordable to more people. Really. I've got two feet of bookshelf filled with proposals. Hopefully, Trump will choose one of them.



I don't think many Republicans feel this way at all. They want people to have well paying jobs, health care and be able to raise families. They think that an excessive nanny state government is what's getting in the way. They may be wrong, but they have exactly the same good intentions that Democrats have. It seems to me that Democrats mostly think that having good intentions is all that matters.
Capitalism doesn't "work." Industrial Revolution brought up the standard of living for many, but the rich/poor wealth gap always widens with capitalism. A war or crash comes and corrects this, but crashes are stopped now. Wealth divide is huge! Tax breaks for wealthy is stupid! The top 1% make 10X the average worker. Real story is 15,000 families with $9.5M annual income. The .01%. $142,500,000,000 combined annual income for these people. They make more combined annually than the fiscal year state budget of Texas. Budget for Temp Assistance for Needy families is 1/10th the annual income of the super rich. Republicans want you to get mad at the poor so you won't notice them getting richer. Cries against welfare is just purposeful massive distraction. Stop falling for it.

If you think giving the super rich will do anything except line their pockets and donate to the party who makes them rich, you are mistaken. Workers, Christians: you've been played for fools.


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It is not only republicans who support CEOs taking jobs out of the country. The Democrat party has been as much a supporter of this as the Republicans. The party leaders are all making big bucks off this. They have for a very long time. And they have sold their souls to the corporate interests. There is no difference between the parties in this. And this is a big reason for Trump’s win.
I completely get this..

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He says that he’s going to do the things necessary to being business back here. And he says that he wants to put term limits for Congress in place. We need these things.
I would think the world of him IF he did get businesses back here.. but I surely hope in the meantime, the rug isn't pulled out from the lower working class -in order to do it.

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Who are you talking about here? Republicans? Libertarians? People on this thread? Not sure.
I think that the issue is not that most conservatives are blind to the plight of lower income people. It’s that they might see different ways of handling it. Giving people a hand up is very different than giving a hand out. It would seem to me that we should strive to get anyone off welfare/support as soon as possible. That means job training programs and/or educational opportunities. What most do not like is turning welfare into a lifelong and even generational life style. How does this help anyone? We need to find ways to get people back to work, off support and earning a good living. That is so superior to welfare.
I'm talking about any Republican who secretly does not care, who feels it's NOT the Government's concern.. they know who they are... I am not pointing fingers here.. You, on the other hand, recognize the need & feel it NEEDS addressed in a viable way.. the "Hand up"......

I agree with this 100%... Yes.. absolutely.. do not think I want to see people on welfare collecting -doing nothing, where it's way of life, these people have no purpose.. no hope....It irks me to no end, how some in public housing DESTROY the very places they live..have they nothing better to do!@#... the crime is rampant... they out to be brought up on criminal charges for things like this... to be held to the ground to repair those damages... . I am huge on consequences for irresponsible behavior.. I have very little mercy for those who destruct property, hurt others...not a bleeding heart... my conservative fangs are showing...

I just know the plight of many of these who -when they get the dang job.. the insurance is ripped from them..its NOT OK.. and these asinine plans where you pay over $300 a month, for a deductible where some of them EARN about that much a year...this is NOT an answer, nor this idea these lower income people can start a "savings plan" to sock it into during the year -in case they need it.. most could never afford this....

Democrats.. you tried.. but this is a mess ! This is not helping people..

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I agree that the Church cannot be relied on anymore for taking care of the poor. There are way too many sects in this country to get any kind of really strong program out of the over 2,000 sects in this country.
I think that government programs is the way we have to go. It would be wrong to tell a person that they have to go to x church to get support when that person does not believe in what is taught at that church. Often times churches will try to force a person to exercise their version of Christianity in order to get any support. Plus, the church’s no longer have a resources that they used to have.
I went to church for many years.. I've seen help go forth..I've seen collections made.. hundreds for a family who's lost their house in a fire, many groceries given.. things like this..but never to help pay a massive bill to a doctor/ Hospital.. this just doesn't happen.. so Yeah.. it's not realistic , for those who suggest it.. they are as crazy as those who think Trump is a modern day Cyrus, the answer to all our prayers.

My step father died outside of a veterans Hospital many yrs ago.. my mother got bills nearing $100,000 ... she had nothing, didn't even own a house.... I handled that by making calls...she was so frazzled , distraught.. it was taken care of.. but what if she owned a house, money in the bank.. she might have lost it all. I don't know...It was a tremendous worry for her.. all I kept saying is.. "they can't get blood out of a rock.. better that you are sh** poor"... and that's a shame.

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I disagree with the above. I do not believe that this is the Republican platform. Not all republicans want some church to take this over. Few are ok with the idea of not helping the poor. The questions are how much, for how long and how to get people self sufficient.

I think that you are talking in stereo types here. There are plenty of conservatives that are not like what you are describing here.
I'm speaking about what has been presented to me on this thread.. actually I find many are rather subtle about it.. that it's not the Governments concern.. DO for ourselves ... I want them to recognize many are still falling through the cracks once they are working... if we can allow the mega RICH the loopholes they have.. they at least need to address where the lower income fall through the cracks.

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Rich democrats are just as selfish as rich republicans. I am not sure why you think that there is a difference. Well the difference is that the rich democrats talk a good speal about all this, but in the end the also use every tax break they can get; they get their huge bonuses; and they contribute much less to charity than rich republicans.
Not denying this at all.. so am I wrong when I said that It was Democrats who started food stamps and housing for the poor? was their a majority vote from the Republicans too...(obviously I really don't know the facts).... those are still "hands UP" to me in a time of need.. and many still need food stamps after they are working even.. they can't afford to live on minimum wage jobs....

This is happening today, isn't it.. when one is out of work & getting any Government benefits... now they have to PROVE they are looking for work with documentation in order to keep those benefits.. like I mentioned my GF earlier, she was given I think $1,200 towards a car, when her's died...so she could continue working..she always worked.. In her case.. she even bought a house.. she lived very poorly in order to do these things.. her income was so low.. she still qualified for help... but honesty... she still needed help in order to live, even working near full time at these jobs.. so someone would look at her and think... it needs taken away.. but she never stopped working.. she was a responsible citizen.. it just wasn't enough to live on..

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I think you are grossly mistaken on the Republican platform. Do you even know what it is?
I've already said I am not Up on Politics.. I have learned enough on this thread to see.. what is the point.. what is happening with the mega rich , Democrats & Republicans alike.. they are all in bed with each other - your own words "The Democrat party has been as much a supporter of this as the Republicans. The party leaders are all making big bucks off this. They have for a very long time. And they have sold their souls to the corporate interests. There is no difference between the parties in this."

Basically...we're all at their mercy anyway....

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Concerning Christianity, the bible supports free market capitalism with equal weights and measures. The bible warns against greed. There were plenty of men mentioned in the bible who obtained tremendous wealth for their time and were Godly men. It's not the wealth but the way it is obtained that matters to God. Obtaining wealth through hard work honors God as long as God is always the focus, not money. The LOVE of money, not money, is the root of all evil.

We, in the United States, have not had real capitalism for over 100 years. It's not possible with a private entity controlling interest rates while creating money from nothing with debt + interest owed to that entity. What we have is a bastardized combination of fascism, socialism, and capitalism. And this combination benefits mostly the ruling elite and its benefactors, the Wall Street Banks (hedge funds, really) and the multi-national corporations. Trump aims to reintroduce the Glass-Steaggall Act which was repealed by Bill Clinton and led to a taxpayer subsidized Wall Street and financial crisis (soon to be repeated 2017 -2020).

Capitalism creates wealth and prosperity. This is not opinion, just proven, historical fact.

There is not a single, successful historical example of socialism leading to increased prosperity. Not one. And if you think Western Europe is where it's at, wait for the coming financial crisis there as well.

That is why countries with freer economies (less government intrusion into a free person's decisions between a willing buyer and a willing seller), experience more prosperity.

By the way, Wall Street loved Hillary Clinton. She received mega$$$ from them in donations, not to mention all the $$$ to the Clinton Foundation for "speeches." She started her career in politics with a net worth of a couple hundred grand and now has a net worth of $45 million, all the while on a government "servant's" salary.


Wall Street does not represent capitalism. It is pure corporatism. If not for the government's financial support, they would not exist. They obtain vast wealth through non-productive labor, political graft, and outright fraud. You see, in capitalism, you are not protected from your poor choices or your corruption. But in corporatism, you are protected by the state, much the same way Obama protected John Corzine from his billion dollar theft of his clients' money.

Progressives make the mistake of correlating "helping the poor" with using other people's money to do so, while biblically speaking, it's an individual act and an act of the Church body. You see, big government has usurped the Church's role in providing for the poor. And there are plenty of able bodied people receiving welfare as a result.

Progressives suffer from two main capital vices, Pride and Envy. Pride is believing one is essentially better than others. Progressives believe they are better than others, both as individuals and as a group (better educated, more "enlightened"). Progressives envy those with tremendous wealth (unless they are Hollywood stars, liberal athletes, liberal politicians, or Oprah). Progressivism is a prideful reaction to envy. Progressives fan the flames of envy so they may play the prideful role of Robin Hood to the envious sinners they create.

Envy is the root of all Communist thought and the purist form of Marxism. In Communism there is tyranny, despair, and death. The Democratic party has embraced 9 out of the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto. This ideology has infected many college age kids. Look how they throw temper tantrums when their candidate loses, beat up Trump supporters, and threaten to kill the President Elect. Their Marxist ideology has never been challenged and they can't imagine anything else. That's why you see the endless ...ism's thrown like darts at people with opposing views. Racist, homophobic, xenophobic, uneducated, etc. That is because their arguments cannot hold up to even mild scrutiny backed by facts, correctly linking cause and effect. We seem to have a young generation of self-entitled, cry-baby, politically correct, morally relativistic, i-phone drones who are full of pride, greed, sloth, lust, and wrath. Pathetic. Makes me want to vomit.
The 47% are kept at bay by hand outs. This number will grow until unsustainable. Capitalism doesn't exist now. We are nearing serfdom. Live on .25 acres and make 1/100 of what the top makes. We now have the British hereditary transition of occupation, income, and social class. That you keep believing otherwise means you believed the propaganda. It won't get better for the bottom 99%.
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By the way, it turns out conservatives are more generous with charitable giving vs liberals as a percentage of income by a good margin. Who cares for the poor? When liberals use their own money, not them.

This despite having 41% more children vs liberal couples to raise.
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I completely get this..

I would think the world of him IF he did get businesses back here.. but I surely hope in the meantime, the rug isn't pulled out from the lower working class -in order to do it.

I'm talking about any Republican who secretly does not care, who feels it's NOT the Government's concern.. they know who they are... I am not pointing fingers here.. You, on the other hand, recognize the need & feel it NEEDS addressed in a viable way.. the "Hand up"......

I agree with this 100%... Yes.. absolutely.. do not think I want to see people on welfare collecting -doing nothing, where it's way of life, these people have no purpose.. no hope....It irks me to no end, how some in public housing DESTROY the very places they live..have they nothing better to do!@#... the crime is rampant... they out to be brought up on criminal charges for things like this... to be held to the ground to repair those damages... . I am huge on consequences for irresponsible behavior.. I have very little mercy for those who destruct property, hurt others...not a bleeding heart... my conservative fangs are showing...

I just know the plight of many of these who -when they get the dang job.. the insurance is ripped from them..its NOT OK.. and these asinine plans where you pay over $300 a month, for a deductible where some of them EARN about that much a year...this is NOT an answer, nor this idea these lower income people can start a "savings plan" to sock it into during the year -in case they need it.. most could never afford this....

Democrats.. you tried.. but this is a mess ! This is not helping people..

I went to church for many years.. I've seen help go forth..I've seen collections made.. hundreds for a family who's lost their house in a fire, many groceries given.. things like this..but never to help pay a massive bill to a doctor/ Hospital.. this just doesn't happen.. so Yeah.. it's not realistic , for those who suggest it.. they are as crazy as those who think Trump is a modern day Cyrus, the answer to all our prayers.

My step father died outside of a veterans Hospital many yrs ago.. my mother got bills nearing $100,000 ... she had nothing, didn't even own a house.... I handled that by making calls...she was so frazzled , distraught.. it was taken care of.. but what if she owned a house, money in the bank.. she might have lost it all. I don't know...It was a tremendous worry for her.. all I kept saying is.. "they can't get blood out of a rock.. better that you are sh** poor"... and that's a shame.

I'm speaking about what has been presented to me on this thread.. actually I find many are rather subtle about it.. that it's not the Governments concern.. DO for ourselves ... I want them to recognize many are still falling through the cracks once they are working... if we can allow the mega RICH the loopholes they have.. they at least need to address where the lower income fall through the cracks.

Not denying this at all.. so am I wrong when I said that It was Democrats who started food stamps and housing for the poor? was their a majority vote from the Republicans too...(obviously I really don't know the facts).... those are still "hands UP" to me in a time of need.. and many still need food stamps after they are working even.. they can't afford to live on minimum wage jobs....

This is happening today, isn't it.. when one is out of work & getting any Government benefits... now they have to PROVE they are looking for work with documentation in order to keep those benefits.. like I mentioned my GF earlier, she was given I think $1,200 towards a car, when her's died...so she could continue working..she always worked.. In her case.. she even bought a house.. she lived very poorly in order to do these things.. her income was so low.. she still qualified for help... but honesty... she still needed help in order to live, even working near full time at these jobs.. so someone would look at her and think... it needs taken away.. but she never stopped working.. she was a responsible citizen.. it just wasn't enough to live on..

I've already said I am not Up on Politics.. I have learned enough on this thread to see.. what is the point.. what is happening with the mega rich , Democrats & Republicans alike.. they are all in bed with each other - your own words "The Democrat party has been as much a supporter of this as the Republicans. The party leaders are all making big bucks off this. They have for a very long time. And they have sold their souls to the corporate interests. There is no difference between the parties in this."

Basically...we're all at their mercy anyway....

Democrats are NOT supporters of CEOs and the .01%. Bernie Sanders was their real pick. Dems believe in caps on top earners, even out the wealth gap. Do that and can stop having this conversation and let decent people live decent lives. Requires hard truth and not believing the party who gives tax breaks to a man who earns 9.5M a year. Stop it! Stop believing their lies!
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By the way, it turns out conservatives are more generous with charitable giving vs liberals as a percentage of income by a good margin. Who cares for the poor? When liberals use their own money, not them.

This despite having 41% more children vs liberal couples to raise.
Two words: collection plate. How many towns have you been in where the nicest place is the local church. Or the mega churches that have bands and stages and sound systems and Starbucks. This is your charity; to yourselves.
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Capitalism doesn't "work." Industrial Revolution brought up the standard of living for many, but the rich/poor wealth gap always widens with capitalism. A war or crash comes and corrects this, but crashes are stopped now. Wealth divide is huge! Tax breaks for wealthy is stupid! The top 1% make 10X the average worker. Real story is 15,000 families with $9.5M annual income. The .01%. $142,500,000,000 combined annual income for these people. They make more combined annually than the fiscal year state budget of Texas. Budget for Temp Assistance for Needy families is 1/10th the annual income of the super rich. Republicans want you to get mad at the poor so you won't notice them getting richer. Cries against welfare is just purposeful massive distraction. Stop falling for it.

If you think giving the super rich will do anything except line their pockets and donate to the party who makes them rich, you are mistaken. Workers, Christians: you've been played for fools.
See I could sit here trying to educate myself for an entire day, weeks on this.. but the question is : can one trust ANYTHING we are reading... what are the REAL FACTS?.... is anyone truthful these days ??? .. since each party is out to vilify the other, twisting their words...though facts shouldn't be so easy to twist.. but then I guess that depends on WHO is collecting them too!

Sadly...even if what everything you say is TRUE @Anon here ... still I believe the Republican right would defend this.. that's it's Ok..

So for anyone reading this thread.. Please I ask you take a moment... watch this video... is it true , is it hype.. chew it up.. Present YOUR Facts ...

The Shocking Truth Of Wealth Inequality In America .... 3:50 speaks the actual GAP... is this OK?

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Yes ... He is fond of showing little clips of what is going on in our world, in the media...something that ties into his message..

Our Preacher is an avid football fan... so when he wants to show some inspirational christian hero.. He'll play these clips off some program of an inspirational Pro-athlete...it's not that I am against this.. but why does it have to be some stupid sports hero.. how about a Doctor or something.. just annoys me at times.... guess you can't please us all...
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SA, here is an article examining Mrs. Clinton's and Mr. Trump's tax plans.

Putting all other campaign rhetoric aside, what does each plan tell you about their priorities?

Trump v Clinton: Comparing their economic plans - BBC News

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Democrats are NOT supporters of CEOs and the .01%. Bernie Sanders was their real pick. Dems believe in caps on top earners, even out the wealth gap. Do that and can stop having this conversation and let decent people live decent lives. Requires hard truth and not believing the party who gives tax breaks to a man who earns 9.5M a year. Stop it! Stop believing their lies!
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I was a Bernie voter, too, Anon. Bernie truly cares about people.

His wife said he ran because the Democrats needed "a good person" in the race. Tells me a lot about how they viewed Hillary Clinton.

Ele posted two links recently from the Jimmy Dore show talking about why Hillary lost the election. @EleGirl, could you post them here? I think SA (and her husband) would enjoy watching them.

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See I could sit here trying to educate myself for an entire day, weeks on this.. but the question is : can one trust ANYTHING we are reading... what are the REAL FACTS?.... is anyone truthful these days ??? .. since each party is out to vilify the other, twisting their words...though facts shouldn't be so easy to twist.. but then I guess that depends on WHO is collecting them too!

Sadly...even if what everything you say is TRUE @Anon here ... still I believe the Republican right would defend this.. that's it's Ok..

So for anyone reading this thread.. Please I ask you take a moment... watch this video... is it true , is it hype.. chew it up.. Present YOUR Facts ...

The Shocking Truth Of Wealth Inequality In America .... 3:50 speaks the actual GAP... is this OK?


Yes ... He is fond of showing little clips of what is going on in our world, in the media...something that ties into his message..

Our Preacher is an avid football fan... so when he wants to show some inspirational christian hero.. He'll play these clips off some program of an inspirational Pro-athlete...it's not that I am against this.. but why does it have to be some stupid sports hero.. how about a Doctor or something.. just annoys me at times.... guess you can't please us all...
When the second coming happens... hand Jesus a latte, give him a tour of the soundstage, the stadium seating. Band can jam out some reverence, and have him watch a Trump video.
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Two words: collection plate. How many towns have you been in where the nicest place is the local church. Or the mega churches that have bands and stages and sound systems and Starbucks. This is your charity; to yourselves.
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I'm feeling I need to agree.. never sat well with the mega church.. the last one we went to....literally.. I felt like I was in a high class Starbucks....expensive milk shakes on the menu... heck they offered our whole family one of these fancy things - free, beings we were new...I noticed the cost would have been a whopping $30 if I paid out of pocket... Appreciated it.. breathed it all in.. but this just just isn't what it's about... It rubs me terribly the wrong way...

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See I could sit here trying to educate myself for an entire day, weeks on this.. but the question is : can one trust ANYTHING we are reading... what are the REAL FACTS?.... is anyone truthful these days ??? .. since each party is out to vilify the other, twisting their words...though facts shouldn't be so easy to twist.. but then I guess that depends on WHO is collecting them too!

Sadly...even if what everything you say is TRUE @Anon here ... still I believe the Republican right would defend this.. that's it's Ok..

So for anyone reading this thread.. Please I ask you take a moment... watch this video... is it true , is it hype.. chew it up.. Present YOUR Facts ...

The Shocking Truth Of Wealth Inequality In America .... 3:50 speaks the actual GAP... is this OK?


Yes ... He is fond of showing little clips of what is going on in our world, in the media...something that ties into his message..

Our Preacher is an avid football fan... so when he wants to show some inspirational christian hero.. He'll play these clips off some program of an inspirational Pro-athlete...it's not that I am against this.. but why does it have to be some stupid sports hero.. how about a Doctor or something.. just annoys me at times.... guess you can't please us all...
Dug and I just watched the video clip. I kept thinking about how Trump wants to lower taxes on the people on the far right of that graph, the people Hillary wanted to raise taxes on.

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Capitalism doesn't "work." Industrial Revolution brought up the standard of living for many, but the rich/poor wealth gap always widens with capitalism. A war or crash comes and corrects this, but crashes are stopped now. Wealth divide is huge! Tax breaks for wealthy is stupid! The top 1% make 10X the average worker. Real story is 15,000 families with $9.5M annual income. The .01%. $142,500,000,000 combined annual income for these people. They make more combined annually than the fiscal year state budget of Texas. Budget for Temp Assistance for Needy families is 1/10th the annual income of the super rich. Republicans want you to get mad at the poor so you won't notice them getting richer. Cries against welfare is just purposeful massive distraction. Stop falling for it.

If you think giving the super rich will do anything except line their pockets and donate to the party who makes them rich, you are mistaken. Workers, Christians: you've been played for fools.
laughable. Let's go back to the good old days, you know, child labor, poor so poor that they don't eat, 12+ hour days, 6 days a week work schedule, rampant diseases like polio. Capitalism fixed all of that.

It is true that the mega rich have too much and we still have too many people living in poverty. BUT the poor are so much better off than even 50 years ago, it is not funny. Go to Africa or SA to find real poor.
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I'm feeling I need to agree.. never sat well with the mega church.. the last one we went to....literally.. I felt like I was in a high class Starbucks....expensive milk shakes on the menu... heck they offered our whole family one of these fancy things - free, beings we were new...I noticed the cost would have been a whopping $30 if I paid out of pocket... Appreciated it.. breathed it all in.. but this just just isn't what it's about... It rubs me terribly the wrong way...
They are selling milkshakes during a church service? Seriously?

When I was going to church, years ago, we got a sip of wine and a paper-thin wafer at the end of the mass. Otherwise there was sometimes a water fountain in the church basement.

Dug says they want that 10% of your income . . . They are doing a sales job on you, SA.

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laughable. Let's go back to the good old days, you know, child labor, poor so poor that they don't eat, 12+ hour days, 6 days a week work schedule, rampant diseases like polio. Capitalism fixed all of that.

It is true that the mega rich have too much and we still have too many people living in poverty. BUT the poor are so much better off than even 50 years ago, it is not funny. Go to Africa or SA to find real poor.
Welfare prevents them from living like that. It would be an embarrassment to America to let them live that way. And to keep them from rising up like to French Revolution. We give them something to placate ourselves and to not have 47% homeless or living in shanty towns.

Wake up, all. It's right in front of you. The numbers are astounding. Appalling. Wake up.
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