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They are selling milkshakes during a church service? Seriously?

When I was going to church, years ago, we got a sip of wine and a paper-thin wafer at the end of the mass. Otherwise there was sometimes a water fountain in the church basement.

Dug says they want that 10% of your income . . . They are doing a sales job on you, SA.
tithing is straight out of the bible. (10%). And, in theory, the church should be using this money to help out the poor.

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tithing is straight out of the bible. (10%). And, in theory, the church should be using this money to help out the poor.
Capital campaign. Hear those words often on a Sunday?
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Welfare prevents them from living like that. It would be an embarrassment to America to let them live that way. And to keep them from rising up like to French Revolution. We give them something to placate ourselves and to not have 47% homeless or living in shanty towns.

Wake up, all. It's right in front of you. The numbers are astounding. Appalling. Wake up.
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We need to make the rules governing our country much more favorable in generating jobs for these people. Not giving them permanent welfare. I think DT is the best president for this in forever. Welfare is a needed safety net, but we need to figure out how to make it temporary for as many people on it as possible. Part of this is incumbent on the rich (to employ people here) and government (to help the economy grow to support JOB GROWTH HERE).
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laughable. Let's go back to the good old days, you know, child labor, poor so poor that they don't eat, 12+ hour days, 6 days a week work schedule, rampant diseases like polio. Capitalism fixed all of that.

It is true that the mega rich have too much and we still have too many people living in poverty. BUT the poor are so much better off than even 50 years ago, it is not funny. Go to Africa or SA to find real poor.
"It took the Great Depression to end child labor nationwide; adults had become so desperate for jobs that they would work for the same wage as children.[5] In 1938, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed the Fair Labor Standards Act, which, among other things, placed limits on many forms of child labor."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chil..._United_States

FDR understood the limits of capitalism. It has to be managed so that it benefits everyone and does not let the rich take advantage of the poor.

We went to his presidential library a few years ago. Spent all day there. Fascinating exhibits.

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tithing is straight out of the bible. (10%). And, in theory, the church should be using this money to help out the poor.
By poor, you mean pay for lawsuits...
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tithing is straight out of the bible. (10%). And, in theory, the church should be using this money to help out the poor.
Out of the Old Testament, right? I thought Christianity came out of the New Testament?

But don't let that interfere with a great marketing program . . .

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We need to make the rules governing our country much more favorable in generating jobs for these people. Not giving them permanent welfare. I think DT is the best president for this in forever. Welfare is a needed safety net, but we need to figure out how to make it temporary for as many people on it as possible. Part of this is incumbent on the rich (to employ people here) and government (to help the economy grow to support JOB GROWTH HERE).
Jobs created by the super rich who could easily afford to hire more people and pay them more right now. Today. .01% has annual income of $142 billion. Billion. How much more do they need to bring jobs back or pay people more? Another million each? Two?
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By poor, you mean pay for lawsuits...
what on earth are you talking about? Churches do more for the poor world wide than welfare does.
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We need to make the rules governing our country much more favorable in generating jobs for these people. Not giving them permanent welfare. I think DT is the best president for this in forever. Welfare is a needed safety net, but we need to figure out how to make it temporary for as many people on it as possible. Part of this is incumbent on the rich (to employ people here) and government (to help the economy grow to support JOB GROWTH HERE).
Trump builds high rises you can't afford to live in, golf courses you can't afford to play on. He preys on the working class. They grasp at the thread of prosperity hanging just above their heads. When they finally grab it, the thread breaks. Trump offers snake oil to them: a for profit "university" that promised to teach them how to be rich, but really just stole their $. Casinos where they hope their meager wages, by a stroke of luck, magically turn into millions.

This is your savior?

For jobs to return, corporations must make more profit. More profit means higher CEO pay and higher stock prices. It may mean more $15/hour jobs, but this is no solution. Just widens the gap.

You've been tricked by the ultimate trickster.
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Trump builds high rises you can't afford to live in, golf courses you can't afford to play on. He preys on the working class. They grasp at the thread of prosperity hanging just above their heads. When they finally grab it, the thread breaks. Trump offers snake oil to them: a for profit "university" that promised to teach them how to be rich, but really just stole their $. Casinos where they hope their meager wages, by a stroke of luck, magically turn into millions.

This is your savior?

For jobs to return, corporations must make more profit. More profit means higher CEO pay and higher stock prices. It may mean more $15/hour jobs, but this is no solution. Just widens the gap.

You've been tricked by the ultimate trickster.
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This is likely true.

But all of us are going to pay for this, not just the Trump voters. That is why we all need to be kind and humble and respectful and understanding. We are all in this together.


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Trump builds high rises you can't afford to live in, golf courses you can't afford to play on. He preys on the working class. They grasp at the thread of prosperity hanging just above their heads. When they finally grab it, the thread breaks. Trump offers snake oil to them: a for profit "university" that promised to teach them how to be rich, but really just stole their $. Casinos where they hope their meager wages, by a stroke of luck, magically turn into millions.

This is your savior?

For jobs to return, corporations must make more profit. More profit means higher CEO pay and higher stock prices. It may mean more $15/hour jobs, but this is no solution. Just widens the gap.

You've been tricked by the ultimate trickster.
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How has the 50+ year war on poverty worked? Oh yeah, it hasn't, at all.

I never claimed DT was going to fix all things for all people, but clearly what we have done in the past didn't work either. Much of it under democrat control. So please so posting your ranting rhetoric.
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This is likely true.

But all of us are going to pay for this, not just the Trump voters. That is why we all need to be kind and humble and respectful and understanding. We are all in this together.
Exactly, at least give the man a chance, for pete's sake. As you say we are in this together. I felt the same about BO when elected, but I didn't run around telling everyone how I felt he was going to fail. And I surely hoped for the opposite.
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what on earth are you talking about? Churches do more for the poor world wide than welfare does.
I took it to mean the money the Catholic Church is paying out for the child sex abuse lawsuits.

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How has the 50+ year war on poverty worked? Oh yeah, it hasn't, at all.

I never claimed DT was going to fix all things for all people, but clearly what we have done in the past didn't work either. Much of it under democrat control. So please so posting your ranting rhetoric.
How do you know it wouldn't have been worse? You are are making assumptions without facts. Just because something isn't "fixed" doesn't mean it's not working at all. This will always be an uphill battle since by nature, the rich get richer and with a finite supply of wealth, in turn, the poor get poorer.
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Exactly, at least give the man a chance, for pete's sake. As you say we are in this together. I felt the same about BO when elected, but I didn't run around telling everyone how I felt he was going to fail. And I surely hoped for the opposite.
Dave, I hope all of us who have our doubts about Trump are completely wrong. But I do think it is helpful to explain why we have those doubts.

And I realize some of us should probably have been doing that before the election, not now.

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