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You enter a county illegally. You don't speak the language well. You then decide to register your name and address with the government. Then you show up on Election Day and risk getting deported. So you can vote.
Most of the illegal immigrants learn enough English to get by. There is not a lot that a person has to say to get their ballot.

Plus, we have a lot of legal immigrants in the USA whose are just as limited in their English. That's why most government publications are available in many languages.

Here were I live, the ballot was in both English and Spanish.

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a) I am sure you did

b) I responded to that in my initial post

c) If you don't see a difference in the acceptance of Obama and Trump then...

d) I'm out
Obama used the words "I won." to tell republicans to shut up and to tell them that they no longer had a voice in anything.

That quote was posted by someone else. If you chose to ignore that quote, it's your choice.

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Obama used the works "I won." to tell republicans to shut up and to tell them that they no longer had a voice in anything.

That quote was posted by someone else. If you chose to ignore that quote, it's your choice.
OMG. No longer had a voice in anything? I hope naivedave thumbed up this post...wait, I am sure he did...

This is from Fox freaking news...

Obama Says His View on Taxes Prevailed Because 'I Won' | Fox News

"During his private meeting with congressional Democrats and Republicans on Friday, President Obama ended a philosophical debate over tax policy with the simple declaration that his opinion prevailed because "I won."

Democrats called it a light-hearted moment that drew laughs around the table. Republicans said there was laughter but couldn't recall if any of it came from their ranks."

Regardless of the intent (and that it was actually the guy who won and not some sort of partisan hacks that only WANT to win)...

"The "I won" comment came after Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va., said Republicans believed cutting income taxed would do more to stimulate economic growth than providing a $500 per person payroll tax refund for individuals earning less than $200,000. The president said, according to those present, that this was an important philosophical divide between Republican and Democrats and that it had already been settled -- and would remain settled -- because he won the election."

This was pretty damn specific. Taxes. He was talking about taxes. You talk about context and then you say this...

"Obama used the works "I won." to tell republicans to shut up and to tell them that they no longer had a voice in anything.

GTFOOT! This is why I keep on saying I'm done. I am guilty of getting sucked back in, but I hate the one sided party rhetoric and THIS is exactly what is ruining our country. Lies and misinformation. It happens on both sides and guess what, I call all the liberals out on it ALL THE FREAKING TIME. Today, one of my FB friend posted a screenshot of Michelle Obama and Melania Trump and it says, "Look a room with a degree from Yale and Harvard, and both belong to Michelle". I called him out on that because it is bull****, and partisan and has no bearing on anything.

I am sick of partisan politics. I absolutely lean left, but I listen to both sides and I care more about this country than "Winning". I know someone is going to quote this (but maybe not now I said this, but maybe now cause I said I said this...) and defend more...because that is exactly what is wrong. Making sure you are "wrong". Continual defense to justify past behavior. It's like a marriage where the spouse cheats but has to blame it on you. Even if you suck, there is no justification for it. Just like the "We won". Hell, if Obama meant it in a We Win You Lose mentality (which maybe he did, I don't ****ing know just like you don't ****ing know or anyone ****ing knows) I'd disagree with it.

For realsies this time: I'm out
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-deal-with-it/

Meaning is perfectly clear, may have chosen 'nicer' words, but the message remains the same. Choose to ignore @Herschel and we will continue to dog you. You 'claim' to not do exactly what you are doing, all the time.
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The Brits, like us Yanks, find it easier to blame others
Humans, from what I've seen, have an extraordinary ability to project blame and failings onto others. "Social" and perspective differences (real or imagined) provide excellent material to formulate and justify these projections.

If you don't embody controversy, what you say will become just another part of the media driven culture of stifling thought and debate about issues.
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Most of the illegal immigrants learn enough English to get by. There is not a lot that a person has to say to get their ballot.

Plus, we have a lot of legal immigrants in the USA whose are just as limited in their English. That's why most government publications are available in many languages.

Here were I live, the ballot was in both English and Spanish.
Let me rephrase. A person who traveled thousands of miles and possibly risked their lives to enter this country would then risk discovery and deportation just so they can vote? Don't believe that.
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Voting as an illegal has longer term implications. Lots of people with green cards vote accidentally, because BMV morons sign them up to vote (can you say voter ID). Then, when it comes time to apply for citizenship... Oops...

Conceivably someone with a green card can vote in some state and local elections...but I doubt they have citizen and green card ballots...so it's a legal minefield even if you're legal to vote.
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“When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.” - Maya Angelou
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Let me rephrase. A person who traveled thousands of miles and possibly risked their lives to enter this country would then risk discovery and deportation just so they can vote? Don't believe that.
I don't know any more than you do if a large number of illegals voted. We are only talking here.

When it comes to people who took all kinds of risks to get here doing stupid things that make no sense and that can get them deported.... there are illegals every day who do that all across the country. It may or may not be voting. But people often do stupid things that end up causing them problems.
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Let me rephrase. A person who traveled thousands of miles and possibly risked their lives to enter this country would then risk discovery and deportation just so they can vote? Don't believe that.
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Do you have any data to support the supposition that illegals are deported in significant numbers as a result of voting? Objective data suggest that this number is very low as most deportations occur very close to the border and are of people who have recently (if not immediately) crossed the border. Before the Obama administration, those caught while crossing the border were generally bused back to Mexico and released with no paperwork. Under the current administration, they are all fingerprinted and formally deported. Actual deportations from the interior of the US (defined as more than 100 miles from the border) have dropped over 40% over the last 8 years. 2/3 of those are those who were reported to ICE by local police after being convicted of a crime. The idea that illegally voting is sending any significant number of people back is laughable.

If illegals are not voting it is likely due to either disinterest, ignorance or just simply being too busy working. I don't think the average illegal Mexican immigrant is evil or bad (just more rhetoric), but let's not deceive ourselves. Some vote and they are not entitled to. I am unsure about their overall impact on national level politics, but I have no doubt that they can have an effect on local elections in certain parts of the country.

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$20 is $20 lolz...
Not in the border towns where I live. It's more like a couple hundred dollars and then some more if you get other friends and family to go vote. They have vans that go pick you up and people http help you fill out the paperwork. Then they feed you too!

Remember that the locals in my border town as well as other neighboring towns care to politically own those towns. Voting for the president is just a bonus.

Good things come to those who wait...greater things come to those who get off their a$$ and do anything to make it happen.
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Most of the illegal immigrants learn enough English to get by. There is not a lot that a person has to say to get their ballot.

Plus, we have a lot of legal immigrants in the USA whose are just as limited in their English. That's why most government publications are available in many languages.

Here were I live, the ballot was in both English and Spanish.
In the Texas border towns, Spanish is spoken more often than English.

Good things come to those who wait...greater things come to those who get off their a$$ and do anything to make it happen.
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OMG. No longer had a voice in anything? I hope naivedave thumbed up this post...wait, I am sure he did...


Just like you did here, you mean, as is your right and naivedave's. Is it just the right of the Dem/Fem brigade?

Even if I don't get likes for it, I'm still going to say it.
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I'm sure Trump relied on Bannon's expertise in manipulating emotional responses to craft his campaign strategy. Who better than the publisher of Breitbart to advise him on what resonates with Breitbart readers and the like? No doubt, that is what he will use Bannon for now, as well. Whether Trump entirely shares Bannon's views is less clear, but he's happy to manipulate the people who do to maintain their support.
Sounds like you are accusing him of conspiring to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry.
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