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post #16 of 38 (permalink) Old 11-17-2016, 09:58 AM Thread Starter
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Appointees to President-elect Donald Trump's administration will be asked to sign a form barring them from being a registered lobbyist for five years after they leave government service, officials announced Wednesday -- following up on the D.C. outsider's pledge to "drain the swamp."*

Trump transition team announces five-year lobbying ban for appointees | Fox News
From the article: "He did not immediately explain how either ban would be enforced."

Sounds like a good idea. Now let's see what the enforcement looks like.


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"Kushner, who is playing an increasingly active role in the campaign, has a bitter history with Christie. Christie, when he was the US attorney of New Jersey, prosecuted his father, Charles Kushner, in a case that grabbed national headlines. The elder Kushner, pled guilty to 18 counts of illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and witness tampering in 2005. He received a 2 year prison sentence.

Wait. Kushner's father engaged in witness tampering? Oh yes:

The federal witnesses he had attempted to retaliate against were his sister and brother-in-law, who were cooperating with that same investigation. Kushner paid a prostitute $10,000 to lure his brother-in-law to a motel room at the Red Bull Inn in Bridgewater to have sex with him. A hidden camera recorded the activity, and Kushner sent the lurid tape to his sister, making sure the tape arrived on the day of a family party."


It's Time to Pay More Attention to Jared Kushner | Mother Jones

I hope this is not a case of Like father, like son . . . Not with someone who has the ear of the president-elect:

Aboard his gold-plated jumbo jet, the Republican nominee does not like to rest or be alone with his thoughts, insisting that aides stay up and keep talking to him. He prefers the soothing, whispery voice of his son-in-law.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/us...tial-race.html

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"Kushner, who is playing an increasingly active role in the campaign, has a bitter history with Christie. Christie, when he was the US attorney of New Jersey, prosecuted his father, Charles Kushner, in a case that grabbed national headlines. The elder Kushner, pled guilty to 18 counts of illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and witness tampering in 2005. He received a 2 year prison sentence.

Wait. Kushner's father engaged in witness tampering? Oh yes:

The federal witnesses he had attempted to retaliate against were his sister and brother-in-law, who were cooperating with that same investigation. Kushner paid a prostitute $10,000 to lure his brother-in-law to a motel room at the Red Bull Inn in Bridgewater to have sex with him. A hidden camera recorded the activity, and Kushner sent the lurid tape to his sister, making sure the tape arrived on the day of a family party."


It's Time to Pay More Attention to Jared Kushner | Mother Jones

I hope this is not a case of Like father, like son . . . Not with someone who has the ear of the president-elect:

Aboard his gold-plated jumbo jet, the Republican nominee does not like to rest or be alone with his thoughts, insisting that aides stay up and keep talking to him. He prefers the soothing, whispery voice of his son-in-law.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/us...tial-race.html
Here is the problem jld.

I don't trust the news sources. Just because they say the above, it does not mean it's true.

It's just as likely that the truth is that Kushner know that his father messed up big time and does not hold anyone but his father responsible for his own fall from grace. We have no way of knowing.

And the idea that Trump needs his son-in-law to talk softly to him in order to rest, that makes no sense. I doubt that Trump's son-in-law spends every night with Trump whispering him to sleep... is the "Trump Whisperer"?

This is the same media that edited Trump's speeches to so that it appears, out of context, that he said things that he never said. The same media who was upset that Trump had the audacity to go to dinner with his family the other day. Most of the media is out to get Trump. They will twist and lie every chance that they get. They are after all the propaganda wing of the democrat party.

I'm not a trump supporter. I'm a realist that understands that our press is a pack of liars pushing an agenda.


ETA: I have read that the press has been upset at Trump because he refused to allow them on his private jet when he traveled for the campaign. So if the press was not on the jet, how do they know what happened on the jet?
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Ele, I think it is hyperbolic to say they are trying to "destroy" him, or that they are a "propaganda wing." I certainly do not see anything in that NYT piece that is trying to "destroy" him.

I would agree most journalists that I heard on election night seemed sympathetic to Hillary, and that their reactions, at least imo, were unprofessional.
I do believe that most of the press was and is trying to destroy Trump.

Why else would they have edited his speeches to make it sound like he said something other than what he said?
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I do believe that most of the press was and is trying to destroy Trump.

Why else would they have edited his speeches to make it sound like he said something other than what he said?
I don't know. Could you give an example of a whole speech of his versus an edited version from the media?

I agree that reporters can have a bias. I have heard liberals say that the news has a conservative bias, in that the mainstream media does not report what would anger the corporations that own the media. So it sounds like each side believes there is bias.

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Here is the problem jld.

I don't trust the news sources. Just because they say the above, it does not mean it's true.

It's just as likely that the truth is that Kushner know that his father messed up big time and does not hold anyone but his father responsible for his own fall from grace. We have no way of knowing.

And the idea that Trump needs his son-in-law to talk softly to him in order to rest, that makes no sense. I doubt that Trump's son-in-law spends every night with Trump whispering him to sleep... is the "Trump Whisperer"?

This is the same media that edited Trump's speeches to so that it appears, out of context, that he said things that he never said. The same media who was upset that Trump had the audacity to go to dinner with his family the other day. Most of the media is out to get Trump. They will twist and lie every chance that they get. They are after all the propaganda wing of the democrat party.

I'm not a trump supporter. I'm a realist that understands that our press is a pack of liars pushing an agenda.


ETA: I have read that the press has been upset at Trump because he refused to allow them on his private jet when he traveled for the campaign. So if the press was not on the jet, how do they know what happened on the jet?
I remember similar complaints from reporters about Hillary. She did not give them the access they wanted. At one dinner for wealthy donors in Colorado, reporters were required to stand across the street while a white noise machine ran.

Could this bit about Kushner be gossip, speculation? Possibly. But that is what we were told at first about Bill Clinton's dalliances, too. And Kushner may have arguably more influence over Trump than any affair partner had over Bill Clinton.

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I remember similar complaints from reporters about Hillary. She did not give them the access they wanted. At one dinner for wealthy donors in Colorado, reporters were required to stand across the street while a white noise machine ran.

Could this bit about Kushner be gossip, speculation? Possibly. But that is what we were told at first about Bill Clinton's dalliances, too. And Kushner may have arguably more influence over Trump than any affair partner had over Bill Clinton.
The problem is that both gossip/speculation and the truth look the same in print because all claim inside sources. I have no idea what the truth is. To be hones I don't think any of us do on this topic.

I'm looking at the end result... Christy is not in the Trump cabinet or advisors. I could care less if Christy is. So whatever the reason does not matter to me.

Kushner is going to be running the Trump businesses. At some point he is going to have to recuse himself from all this or distance himself in a way that keeps the Trump businesses at arms length. Right now Kushner is on the transition team. I don't think that he will be part of the final Trump team.

Will Trump talk to him in the future about things? Probably, just as every president has discussed things with their wife and family.
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Here is something that I found that has some ideas about why Christy was dropped from the Trump administration.

It brings up too things, Christy's Bridge-gate that is still a serious issue. And in the last week before the election, two of Christy’s close advisors were convicted of conspiracy and fraud.

Dual roles for Trump children, son-in-law spark ethics concerns | Fox News
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Sounds like a good idea. Now let's see what the enforcement looks like.
I am still out of the "political" talk, but there is significant reasoning why this is not a good idea.

I liken it to tenure. On the face, tenure for faculty seems like a bad idea. They bust their asses, finally prove themselves with enough grants and research and whatnot until they have tenure, and then they coast til they die, sucking money out of the University. So, why have tenure? What happens if you don't? You make a tough choice easy. If you are someone with your phD and are looking to either go into the private sector or teach at an institution, what will make you the most money. This is capitalism we are talking about and money RULES all. Well, the private sector ends up being much more appealing since there isn't much money in teaching and no security. So, now we have tenure. Once you've been accepted by the old boys club, you are a member for life. In some ways it's a negative, but in others, it makes sure a lot of the brightest and cutting edge faculty members will come to a university to teach and have research. They know that they can be set for life.

How does this equate to lobbyists? Many government positions aren't high paying, but they are an "in" and give you knowledge of the system. You take them knowing that once you come out, you can make money by already being a part of the system. Money makes the world go round, right? So, many of the brightest and hardest working people in Washington take these government positions knowing that being a lobbyist or something similar is available to them, setting their future up. Now, a 5 year ban makes them think, ok, what do I do now? Why would I take this government position if I can't parlay that into money down the road? You now lose a lot of the brightest and hard working government employees because now you have hamstrung their earnings potential.

Maybe that is what Trump, or many other people want. Maybe it will work. The problem is that we don't know what will happen and often the unknown of a situation is worse than a bad situation that you know and can try to control (sort of like ACA). Something that seems broken may in fact be broken, but it may be a lot less broken than the alternative.
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I thought that was a great post. The reality is that things are messy. We have to weigh the consequences of our actions, and not try to pretend that <this one policy> will be the panacea to save us and that it will come easy, without cost.

Out of curiosity, do you often see people who'd like to get rid of tenure at the Uni level? I ask because I'm not familiar with it. I'm very familiar with people wanting to get rid of it at the primare/secondary level of education though. I think there's a great case for tenure at Uni, due to research and not wanting to have people canned for <wrong-think> or upsetting a politician/lobbyist/corp/local admin.

I think a lot of the Trump people who want a lobbyist ban like you've described haven't considered the consequences. I know that I would prefer one, even with them. It will perhaps discourage some of the greatest minds from seeking position, but if they were only seeking it for the opportunity to participate in graft, well, I'd say good riddance. I honestly think this is a weak reform; but I don't project my opinions as mainstream.


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I believe the Kushner family and the Trump family go back several generations in the NYC real estate construction industry. That is the the true tie between the families. Jared has published the NY Observer since 2006 which is a small publication. So i would keep track on the real estate developments around the world Jared gets involved in, not any media deals.

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[i] "Kushner, who is playing an increasingly active role in the campaign, has a bitter history with Christie. Christie, when he was the US attorney of New Jersey, prosecuted his father, Charles Kushner, in a case that grabbed national headlines. The elder Kushner, pled guilty to 18 counts of illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and witness tampering in 2005. He received a 2 year prison sentence.

Wait. Kushner's father engaged in witness tampering? Oh yes:

The federal witnesses he had attempted to retaliate against were his sister and brother-in-law, who were cooperating with that same investigation. Kushner paid a prostitute $10,000 to lure his brother-in-law to a motel room at the Red Bull Inn in Bridgewater to have sex with him. A hidden camera recorded the activity, and Kushner sent the lurid tape to his sister, making sure the tape arrived on the day of a family party."[/i]
Sounds like Kushners BIL was an ass...come'on..."Lured Him"...

The sins of the father...etc...

It seems more likely that Christie had to go because of bridge-gate...IIRC..people died due to that BS....Not to mention..slowing down the transport of goods like that is restriction of trade.

Thanks for posting about the Hooker-Gate though...thats major funny stuff. The first thing I thought was...I wonder of the BIL sent a thank you card for the 10K hooker and the precious moments DVD....that would have been my move...but I'm kinda an ass

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Sounds like Kushners BIL was an ass...come'on..."Lured Him"...

The sins of the father...etc...

It seems more likely that Christie had to go because of bridge-gate...IIRC..people died due to that BS....Not to mention..slowing down the transport of goods like that is restriction of trade.

Thanks for posting about the Hooker-Gate though...thats major funny stuff. The first thing I thought was...I wonder of the BIL sent a thank you card for the 10K hooker and the precious moments DVD....that would have been my move...but I'm kinda an ass
The other thing I read that has disqualified Christy is that in the week before the election, two of his top advisors were convicted of crimes that boil down to misusing their influence. These convictions are too close to Christy and he would bring that controversy into the Trump administration. I can see why Trump did not want to deal with that.
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The other thing I read that has disqualified Christy is that in the week before the election, two of his top advisors were convicted of crimes that boil down to misusing their influence. These convictions are too close to Christy and he would bring that controversy into the Trump administration. I can see why Trump did not want to deal with that.
They misused their authority to restrict the traffic over the George Washington bridge. The western end of the bridge is in Fort Lee, NJ and they were retaliating against the mayor of Fort Lee for not supporting Christie. They set up a bogus "traffic study" that coincided with the start of the school year and caused 2-3 hour delays in traffic. The study ran for a couple of days before it was stopped.

So it was the worst kind of dirty politics. Ambulances and paramedics couldn't reach patients because those clowns were punishing the mayor. Children never made it to school. People couldn't get to work. Christie claimed no knowledge and the culprits said "of course he knew". There's no evidence that he did know.

Nasty business. It will be a dark stain on his record forever.

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