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post #106 of 134 (permalink) Old 11-22-2016, 07:41 AM
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I read that explanation Ele. Personally it makes sense to me and I couldn't care less. Unfortunately when the shoe was on the other foot, it ain't viewed quite the same and the hypocrisy show through .

Last month, Hall opened an e-mail from a friend. Inside the e-mail was a link to an amateur production of her play at Kent State University. Hall clicked on the link and was taken aback.

The actor pictured on stage looked similar to MLK in every other production of “The Mountaintop” save for one detail.

His skin.

“At first glance I was like, ‘Unh-uh, maybe he light-skinned. Don’t punish the brother for being able to pass,'” Hall wrote Monday on the Root. “But further Googling told me otherwise.”

Martin Luther King was now white.

The controversial production, and Hall’s angry reaction, have opened a debate about the limits of non-traditional casting at a time when race is under a microscope in America.

As actors of color increasingly play traditionally white roles, breaking Broadway’s color barriers, should the opposite be true as well? Should a white man be allowed to play a black historical figure as important as Martin Luther King?

Not in my play, Hall answered.




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I've seen a lot of casting calls.



They do list the race, gender, age, physical appearance and other things that most jobs cannot list.



this is because the actor has to fit the part that they are playing.



The Hamilton play might have a good business case for wanting "non-whites". Though I would think that to be the inclusive show that they claim to be, they would include Caucasian actors.



My understanding is that using all non-Caucasian actors is part of making some political/social statement.


It is also illegal under NYC employment laws.

But i also never could get past the illegality of the hiring of Hooters and Twin Peaks waitresses. Never had a guy wait on me.

Not that I mind.
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Does anybody see the irony in the unscripted lines for Pence:





You mean the blatant race and age discrimination?

Sex discrimination too. What about those that don't identify with those two genders?

Probably violates the ADA as they make no provision for the blind that are excellent singers.
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You mean the blatant race and age discrimination?

Sex discrimination too. What about those that don't identify with those two genders?

Probably violates the ADA as they make no provision for the blind that are excellent singers.
Every casting call I've ever seen states ethnicity, gender/sex, often age, often height, and other things that cannot be asked of empolyees in a traditional job application. But for theater/movies this has a valid business case.


Here is one that I found that lists the enthicity, age and gender of each person in the production.

'Full Circle'


Production Description

Casting "Full Circle," the story of eight friends that are coming to the end of their time together and graduating High School and some going off to college some to work and some on to other ventures. Synopsis: The story then picks up as the group reunites for their ten year reunion and all the feelings and things unsaid come out finally.
Roles

Andrew (Supporting): Male, 20-30

the "hard to get to know" member of the group; tries to have other things going on so he does not have to focus on some struggles he has in his home life.

Ethnicity: Caucasian, African American, Hispanic


Maria (Supporting): Female, 20-30

the headstrong determined member of the group; big dreams are leading her to some big heartaches, stars in her eyes type.

Ethnicity: Hispanic

Michelle (Supporting): Female, 20-30

sort of the leader that is when there is a group outing or party, but often she is undecided about where her future will be taking her.

Ethnicity: Caucasian, African American, Asian

Mark (Supporting): Male, 20-30

"that guy" that will never change; thinks he knows it all, can get any girl in the group, everything is all about him, will he change?

Ethnicity: All Ethnicities

Summer (Supporting): Female, 20-30

the girl who thinks and also has all the guys chasing her, never afraid to be herself, sexy, forward not shy in anything she does.

Ethnicity: Caucasian, Hispanic, Asian

Kristina (Supporting): Female, 20-30

sometimes the scatter brain, also flirty when trying to compete with other girls in the group; she is kind of lost at times searching for her own way in this circle.

Ethnicity: Caucasian, African American, Hispanic, Asian


Lewis (Supporting): Male, 20-30

the most complex; he is a daredevil and will try anything once in school or out and about, but he is covering deeper issues and things he is searching for, inner peace.

Ethnicity: Caucasian, African American, Hispanic, Asian

Greg (Supporting): Male, 20-30

the star quarterback on the often lousy team, but this one year he leads them all the way to the finals, Greg really just knows about the game; he is not very book smart but the years away will change him.

Ethnicity: Caucasian, African American, Hispanic



Here you go… look up other productions.
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Unfortunately when the shoe was on the other foot, it ain't viewed quite the same and the hypocrisy show through .
The personal creator of that particular work had a feeling on the topic. Which, I suppose as the creator he/she is entitled to the opinion even if the opinion is wrong. One opinion of one person isn't a "Gotcha!"

I think one difference is that (I'm guessing) the presentation of MLK Jr is meant to be a factual representation of the person. The representation of Alexander Hamilton and many of the other founding fathers in Hamilton I'd argue (as someone who has seen it) is less about a 100% authentic representation of the 100% true story of Hamilton or the others but more about representing them as figures of ideal(s.) And what we as modern day Americans should think and remember about those ideals and the men that had them. It's nuanced. And part of that nuance I think is the inherent idea about minorities feeling like they are including in those American ideals - something you likely wouldn't think about seeing a traditional casting of say ... 1776.

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The Hamilton play might have a good business case for wanting "non-whites". Though I would think that to be the inclusive show that they claim to be, they would include Caucasian actors.
The show I saw in Chicago also included Caucasians in the show (as dancers/singers). The casting of the show is overall sort of small, as it's written for some of the principle actors to play more than one role. It's by the nature of how it's written a much smaller cast than say ... Les Miserables or Phantom of the Opera, or a lot of the bigger traditional shows were there are lots of extra folks.
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One opinion of one person isn't a "Gotcha!"
Exactly. Employing that logic, perhaps it would be reasonable that the title of articles and statements similar to "Trump's comment that 'Maybe he [the Black protester] should have been roughed up,” . It was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.' proves he's a racist", wouldn't be a Gotcha and would gain less traction.

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Exactly. Employing that logic, perhaps it would be reasonable that the title of articles and statements similar to "Trump's comment that 'Maybe he [the Black protester] should have been roughed up,” . It was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.' proves he's a racist", wouldn't be a Gotcha and would gain less traction.
That's not the same scenario.

What one person says doesn't distill into something that proves what everyone else in a group they are with feels. Your example showed the feelings of a singular person on a matter of race. It wasn't some deep insight into "the shoe being on the other foot" as far as some unnamed group of people.

So when Trump makes statements are they a "Gotcha!" for all Trump voters, no. Are they a good indication on the character or feelings of Trump? Either you accept what he says at face value and discern what it means, or you accept the idea he simply says what he says as a charade to get votes, which might say something different but arguably not something better.

And it isn't singular one off statements that give people the impression Trump is a racist, it's a string of similar statements over time.
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The issue at hand is that Trump nor Pence have a track record of recognizing that all American citizens have equal rights. Pence is very much against people in LGBTQ. Trump has a history- both recent and in the past against POC (people of color - not just black). Saying "stop it" or "I don't condone it" is considered week when his main counselor for advice is Steve Bannon who is a major player in the "Alt-Right" which is nothing but a pretty re-branding name of white nationalist which are still white supremacists who are usually in the KKK or neonazi clubs.

There are people rightfully afraid of their lives. Already, the GOP is pushing for laws that allows companies to fire people if they are gay. Trump has said pretty much nothing about the 700+ reported hate crimes from across the country in his name.... Trump has done nothing to prove otherwise to change that perception of him. Trump being prissy over comedy show and broadway play (that did not attack Pence) rather than condemning the people who paint swastikas with Trump's name on buildings and cars. So, what in the world does that have to do with creating jobs or making America great?

No other president elect in the past 100 years or so has terrified millions of our American citizens.

Trump should have been vetted. Not good.
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Come on Starfish, how many times have you heard the progressives (or the conservatives for that matter) take the actions of one or a few and characterize everybody in that broad group as of that mindset? TaDor fails to mention the "hate" crimes committed and property destroyed because Trump was elected nor which group of folks commit hate crimes at virtually twice the rate of their population percentage.
Personally I think a big chunk of the terrified millions TaDor is talking about are either here illegally or are the GOP and corporations who are afraid he can’t be controlled like virtually every other GOP office holder.“


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The issue at hand is that Trump nor Pence have a track record of recognizing that all American citizens have equal rights. Pence is very much against people in LGBTQ. Trump has a history- both recent and in the past against POC (people of color - not just black). Saying "stop it" or "I don't condone it" is considered week when his main counselor for advice is Steve Bannon who is a major player in the "Alt-Right" which is nothing but a pretty re-branding name of white nationalist which are still white supremacists who are usually in the KKK or neonazi clubs.

There are people rightfully afraid of their lives. Already, the GOP is pushing for laws that allows companies to fire people if they are gay. Trump has said pretty much nothing about the 700+ reported hate crimes from across the country in his name.... Trump has done nothing to prove otherwise to change that perception of him. Trump being prissy over comedy show and broadway play (that did not attack Pence) rather than condemning the people who paint swastikas with Trump's name on buildings and cars. So, what in the world does that have to do with creating jobs or making America great?

No other president elect in the past 100 years or so has terrified millions of our American citizens.

Trump should have been vetted. Not good.
It depends on your definition of rights. You want rights that don't exist FOR ANYONE.

Some citizens are terrified due to liberal media or social media that propagates false information.

We have already resolved national gay marriage, so take that off the discussion. LGBTQ* have same rights as everyone else. No discrimination for race, creed, national origin handicap etc. What they DON'T have is national protective rights based on sexual orientation. Well, neither does anyone else. I can be fired by a gay business owner because I am heterosexual. The resistance to that "right" is in its conflict with the right to practice one's religion, which in my mind and Trump's, overrides sexual orientation.

There is no constitutional right for a grown man to use the same bathroom as 8 year old girls. But even Trump has NOT said that. Rather than be against that, he is very progressive and a follower of the constitutional rights put forth in the 10th amendment. He said he wants to leave it up to individual states to decide. If California wants grown men and little girls to share bathrooms, Trump says to let them decide and all the men can move there. Likewise, if Mississippi or North Carolina does not want that, there should be free to legislate that.

To be clear again, no "RIGHTS" are being denied and all you are doing is propagated terrorizing information.

And before you call me homophobic, my best friend is gay and my best local non-wife female friend was/is bisexual (long story on that, but just accept my point).

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No other president elect in the past 100 years or so has terrified millions of our American citizens.

Trump should have been vetted. Not good.
Lest you forget, Reagan was vilified. Bush was vilified.

Trump was the most vetted candidate in 100 years. The liberal media and attack agents spent tens of millions digging up dirt on him and his positions.

All the new stories were about how evil and terrifying Trump is that few stories actually talked about his positions and policies. If you cared enough to actually read his positions, beyond Facebook, you will see where he stands.

Like ANY politician it is yet to be seen if they keep to their campaign promises. Obama never did, except for Obamacare and he lied about that.

You have seen the leaked emails about Hillary's "public position" and "private position" and how the two were not the same. Talk about LACK OF VETTING.
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Come on Starfish, how many times have you heard the progressives (or the conservatives for that matter) take the actions of one or a few and characterize everybody in that broad group as of that mindset?
Plenty. That doesn't mean that it's wise or useful for actual political discourse.

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Personally I think a big chunk of the terrified millions TaDor is talking about are either here illegally or are the GOP and corporations who are afraid he can’t be controlled like virtually every other GOP office holder.“
I'm not here illegally. I'm not the GOP or a corporation. When people starting saying they want to punish women for abortions that does concern and worry me. Is my fear justified, well ... I suppose we'll find out.
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"Trump was the most vetted candidate in 100 years. The liberal media and attack agents spent tens of millions digging up dirt on him and his positions"

no, he has not been properly vetted. His business connections are in conflict with the job of being president.
He *IS* a bigot. He *IS* a con-man. He is a *CHEATER* on 3 wives / exwives. No "liberal" media is required to see that. His actions, his lies and complete lack of transparancy are already problematic. His connection to neo-nazis is terrifying. Again, Trump and his sons do this themselves.

Transprancy & Lie = "Tax returns" = IRS and everyone else has stated "Being audited doesn't keep you from releasing your tax returns to the public" - Trump says that *IS* his excuse. So, that is a big lie. His connection with Russians (which you care nothing about) is traitorous and very deadly to or national security. HE isn't draining the swamp, he's filling it up. Ex-Gen Petraeus KWOWNINGLY leaked classified information to a woman he was having sexual relations with. Yet, trump is hiring him for a job.

The Clinton emails (hacked by russians - hint hint) are not that big of a deal. Yeah, the context of the two faces is typical of anyone in any field. What do you do for a living? Think about how you talk to co-workers vs how you talk to clients vs talking to the teacher of your school. The language and such that I use with fellow techies vs clients is different... because going overly technical with a client is a waste of both of our time.

What is opposite of "liberal media", for which seems to be ANYTHING that isn't right-wing. Ever thought, that maybe hard core right-ring propaganda is maybe lying to you?
Its in our Consitution. You know, that thing that trump doesn't like.

"The First Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, ensuring that there is no prohibition on the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble, or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights."

The word liberal = freedom / liberty. So you are against American freedom? Isn't that is whats supposed to make the USA a great country?
The countries that have a media that only says NICE things about their leader or party... are usually in a dictatorship or communist (Russia , China, N.Korea, many middle eastern countries)
Let that sink in.

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"Trump was the most vetted candidate in 100 years. The liberal media and attack agents spent tens of millions digging up dirt on him and his positions"



no, he has not been properly vetted. His business connections are in conflict with the job of being president.

He *IS* a bigot. He *IS* a con-man. He is a *CHEATER* on 3 wives / exwives. No "liberal" media is required to see that. His actions, his lies and complete lack of transparancy are already problematic. His connection to neo-nazis is terrifying. Again, Trump and his sons do this themselves.



Transprancy & Lie = "Tax returns" = IRS and everyone else has stated "Being audited doesn't keep you from releasing your tax returns to the public" - Trump says that *IS* his excuse. So, that is a big lie. His connection with Russians (which you care nothing about) is traitorous and very deadly to or national security. HE isn't draining the swamp, he's filling it up. Ex-Gen Petraeus KWOWNINGLY leaked classified information to a woman he was having sexual relations with. Yet, trump is hiring him for a job.



The Clinton emails (hacked by russians - hint hint) are not that big of a deal. Yeah, the context of the two faces is typical of anyone in any field. What do you do for a living? Think about how you talk to co-workers vs how you talk to clients vs talking to the teacher of your school. The language and such that I use with fellow techies vs clients is different... because going overly technical with a client is a waste of both of our time.



What is opposite of "liberal media", for which seems to be ANYTHING that isn't right-wing. Ever thought, that maybe hard core right-ring propaganda is maybe lying to you?

Its in our Consitution. You know, that thing that trump doesn't like.



"The First Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, ensuring that there is no prohibition on the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble, or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights."



The word liberal = freedom / liberty. So you are against American freedom? Isn't that is whats supposed to make the USA a great country?

The countries that have a media that only says NICE things about their leader or party... are usually in a dictatorship or communist (Russia , China, N.Korea, many middle eastern countries)

Let that sink in.


And you think Hillary was properly vetted? Her secret deals with the Clinton Foundation and their personal enrichment to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars?

The private server to hide her secrets?

The leaked emails are not as big a story as what was in the emails she deleted.

And there is no Trump Russian connection. Are you a left wing conspiracy nut?
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