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post #16 of 50 (permalink) Old 11-22-2016, 01:39 AM
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I think that we need to be careful about making fun of the people on one side or the other.

Look at what happened when people were called the deplorables, and racist, etc. Doing that sort of thing turns people off and shuts down any possible discussion.

If there is anything that we do need, it's for people to stop insulting others and for open discussion to happen.


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Yeah David Duke is happy. But I guess you do not care that Louis =Farrakhan and his hate group were pretty happy when Obama was there. You don't get to have it both ways, which is what liberals always want.

When they lose they want to change the rules. When they win they love the rules. The petulant behavior is par for the course.
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Where is that first picture taken?


ETA: Hackney riots

I don't know Ele. Somewhere in the UK (left side). If I picked the left picture from U.S. scenes, I'd probably get bashed.

Oh, what the hell,

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Neither situation is good...

But if people can't see the distinction between proactive and reactive, that is on them. I could certainly put two pictures of any two events and and claim by just looking at the pictures that they were both evil. You don't even need to know context tow see that crime is crime. But you do need to know context to know why the crime is happening.
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Riots? These are riots? Lolz. I've seen better from soccer fans...
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Would it be ok for me to start a thread where it says, Not-Racist Conservatives and have links to the Alt-Right and do this thread after thread? I mean, I know you guys are conservative and Sean Hannity always has his bros on his show, or obvious people he can beat down from the other side...but is this what TAM is?
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Neither situation is good...

But if people can't see the distinction between proactive and reactive, that is on them. I could certainly put two pictures of any two events and and claim by just looking at the pictures that they were both evil. You don't even need to know context tow see that crime is crime. But you do need to know context to know why the crime is happening.
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Hey Hersh, if its your property being destroyed or your family injured, would you really, really care if its proactive or reactive or would it give you solace to know why the crime is happening?

If you don't embody controversy, what you say will become just another part of the media driven culture of stifling thought and debate about issues.
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Hey Hersh, if its your property being destroyed or your family injured, would you really, really care if its proactive or reactive or would it give you solace to know why the crime is happening?
On an individual level, of course not. Because on an individual level, I care only about myself and my family. But we aren't talking in individuals here. What we are talking about is WHY things are happening. A KKK rally that is being proactive and spewing hate is significantly different than reacting to a president whom you feel is racist or even when a police officer shoots an unarmed minority and you feel it hits too close to home. Look, I have said I don't agree with riots. But maybe that's because I sit in my suburban house with everything I need and want and enjoy my life.

Drawing a comparison between the two is disingenuous and feeds into the narrative that the rioters are just like the KKK. If that is your goal and you want to feed that meal to the ignorant masses...then go right ahead. But this isn't a liberal or conservative thing to me. This is about honesty and intention. People often justify how they feel by making the narrative fit their needs.
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Would it be ok for me to start a thread where it says, Not-Racist Conservatives and have links to the Alt-Right and do this thread after thread? I mean, I know you guys are conservative and Sean Hannity always has his bros on his show, or obvious people he can beat down from the other side...but is this what TAM is?
@Herschel So, you know I am a conservative, right?

Wrong.

I am a Democratic Socialist. (UK politics and US politics are vastly different, it should be noted.)

And @EleGirl has mentioned her Democratic Party involvement before.

I suggest that you stop trying to goad moderators.

That never ends well.

Am I threatening you? No. Just offering some friendly words of advice along the lines of: "It'll start raining, soon. Better take your raincoat and your umbrella, unless you want to get wet."


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@Herschel So, you know I am a conservative, right?

Wrong.

I am a Democratic Socialist. (UK politics and US politics are vastly different, it should be noted.)

And @EleGirl has mentioned her Democratic Party involvement before.

I suggest that you stop trying to goad moderators.

That never ends well.

Am I threatening you? No. Just offering some friendly words of advice along the lines of: "It'll start raining, soon. Better take your raincoat and your umbrella, unless you want to get wet."
Just because you say you are something, doesn't mean you are. I apologize if you think that was an attack on you, I was trying to put context around why you felt his posts we ok. You didn't even answer the question I posted.

As far as your saying that I am trying to "goad" moderators. I did not do anything of the sort. I wasn't trying to provoke you into a fight. Am I not allowed to question why something is deemed acceptable or not? Oh, and along the same lines of just because you say you are something doesn't mean it's true, just because you say you aren't threatening me doesn't mean it's true.

A ban is probably needed anyway, whether by you or me. I am shocked how one sided a lot of the conversation is here...but I guess I understand why...

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On an individual level, of course not. Because on an individual level, I care only about myself and my family. But we aren't talking in individuals here. What we are talking about is WHY things are happening. A KKK rally that is being proactive and spewing hate is significantly different than reacting to a president whom you feel is racist or even when a police officer shoots an unarmed minority and you feel it hits too close to home. Look, I have said I don't agree with riots. But maybe that's because I sit in my suburban house with everything I need and want and enjoy my life.

Drawing a comparison between the two is disingenuous and feeds into the narrative that the rioters are just like the KKK. If that is your goal and you want to feed that meal to the ignorant masses...then go right ahead. But this isn't a liberal or conservative thing to me. This is about honesty and intention. People often justify how they feel by making the narrative fit their needs.
I fail to see the distinction between the two. Are they not doing the same thing? The KKK hold unsanctioned, unacceptable rallies in "protest" to the proliferation of racial and ethnic groups that are, in their minds, "dirtying" their society. They do not like it. The rioters hold unsanctioned, unacceptable, unlawful, destructive demonstrations in "protest" to a president that will, in their minds, "dirty" the political landscape. They do not like it.

The KKK is a form of terrorism, coercion by fear. The riots are a form of terrorism, coercion by fear. They both are directly attributable to lack of intellect. They are the actions of children. They both are of the belief that wrong+wrong=right, which they seem to see in each other but not in themselves. I cannot make distinction between them.

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Just because you say you are something, doesn't mean you are. I apologize if you think that was an attack on you, I was trying to put context around why you felt his posts we ok. You didn't even answer the question I posted.

As far as your saying that I am trying to "goad" moderators. I did not do anything of the sort. I wasn't trying to provoke you into a fight. Am I not allowed to question why something is deemed acceptable or not? Oh, and along the same lines of just because you say you are something doesn't mean it's true, just because you say you aren't threatening me doesn't mean it's true.

A ban is probably needed anyway, whether by you or me. I am shocked how one sided a lot of the conversation is here...but I guess I understand why...
@Herschel The conversation is far from one sided!

People disagree with other people.

That's what happens, sometimes.

This SNL sketch shows a place where everyone agrees with each other.

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First, the distinction between "proactive" and "reactive" is ridiculous. The KKK would argue that they're "reactively" responding to a real crisis that they see. We should never excuse rioters breaking someone's shop windows just because they're angry. This what was so disgusting and pandering about Obama saying things like "folks are frustrated" whenever riots would happen.

I am sure that David Duke is happy we'll have a white President again. Does this mean that all Trump supporters are racist? Of course not. I'm sure that the Black Panthers who wielded baseball bats at polling stations were happy when Obama got elected. Does this mean that all Obama supporters are racist? Certainly not.

And Herschel, it's a bit disingenuous to start playing the victim now when you've got plenty of inflammatory posts yourself: Well we put the clown in office...sigh
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La Raza. BLM. New Black Panthers. Louis Farrakhan. Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Moveon.org (and other Soros funded groups). There is a long list of leftist hate groups who engage in hate speech and racist rhetoric. There are animal rights groups and climate warriors who engage in violence and who openly call for violence against those who disagree with them. There is a long list of those and other leftist groups engaging in violence in the name of racism and hate. There is a long history of such groups engaging in violent protest regardless of the context or rationale. These groups espouse leftist, socialist, communist, progressive, or anarchist political goals.

On the right? Conservative groups who espouse or conduct violence in the name of conservative values? The only ones I can think of are small fringe groups who have committed very few violent acts, really more as individuals than as any kind of larger moverment. Anti-abortion extremists committed a few. The OKC bombing 25 years ago by 2 nut jobs who wanted smaller federal government. That crazy church that protests at military funerals.

The KKK really isn't a right wing group because they don't espouse classical conservative values. Extremists go out their end of the spectrum and meet around the back side, ending up with tyrannical control over society, which is neither classically liberal nor classically conservative. Different groups may tend to vote D or R but their actual goals are the same, to impose an iron fist over everyone else and to suppress groups other than their own.

The big lie the leftist media has convinced half the population of is that somehow hate, racism, and other bigotry is a conservative trait. The KKK and other supremacist groups are not conservative. Regardless, they talk hate but they don't riot.

We should keep in mind that many of the protests we are seeing since the election are funded by Soros et al for the purpose of sowing instability and creating chaos. Much of the non-violent anguish is real, and some of the violence and riots are organic.
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If there is anything that we do need, it's for people to stop insulting others and for open discussion to happen.
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