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I know I haven't posted in awhile, and in part it's due to my anxiety over the political situation that has currently taken over the US. I'm very much a progressive, and though I certainly wasn't a fan of Hillary, I bit my tongue and voted for her, because she's better than the demagogue we've currently got. And now we've got a demagogue in the White House, a Republican house, a Republican Senate, and potentially anywhere between one and three new Republican Supreme Court members. God save us.

Between Trump's destructive climate policies (placing a climate change denier in charge of the EPA springs immediately to mind) and the fact that he was literally endorsed by the KKK, I genuinely believe this might be the end of the world. Or, alright, the start of the end of the world. Will we even have a habitable planet by the time I'm 80? Perhaps not, considering our new president's climate policies.

For 2 weeks now I have been unbearably anxious. Sedatives do little. For the first week post-election I didn't do anything but cry. I took time off from school and I laid in my bed with several handkerchiefs and several boxes of tissues and bawled almost constantly. The second week I've been floating somewhere in between panic and grim acceptance. "Oh God help us this is the end of society what do we do?!!" or "Well... I'm gonna die soon. Pity, that." have been my two dominant trains of thought. Over the last few days I've been able to relax a little bit and enjoy life to some degree, but the thought is always in the back of my mind that we've elected Orange Hitler to run our country, and now there are groups openly talking about whether Jews are human.

As usual, the only constant in my life has been my dear and beloved husband. He's done his best to hold me when I cry, promise me that he'll (somehow) protect us from whatever is coming our way, and make sure I keep a basic level of functioning (eating, sleeping, etc). He's even done his best to navigate smoothly around my changing and chaotic biological schedule. Rather than being upset that I ate his chicken, for example, he told me he was just glad I was still eating. He's been an absolute hero. Thank the stars for good men who love us.

Anyway, if there are any Democrats or progressives reading this, what's your take? Is this the moment that we'll look back on years from now and say, "Yep. This was the catalyst for WWIII and the moment we set our Earth onto a downward spiral of climate chaos."?

My therapist told me yesterday to post my political worries to a forum with both sides of our political spectrum. Here seemed like a good place, as good as any. It's not nearly totally liberal like Reddit, nor is it totally progressive like Tumblr. So I'll turn to you. Are you afraid? If you are, what have you done to mitigate your fears somewhat? Do you have a safety plan for when it all goes down? If you're not afraid, why not? Please tell me. I could really do with a little bit of hope right now.


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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?

Every solid object has a harmonic frequency at which it will vibrate when excited by another separate and outside force.

In the human body the only thing that is hard enough and large enough to synchronize with an outside vibration, such as speech, is the skull.

If I say what I think and what I feel, a glass head and mind will "sing" and explode.

That said, I am going silent on this thread.

This....This is the nub of the stick that pokes me in the eye when the light of day energizes my optic nerve....SunCMars.... The Allegory of the Cave--> On this, I did a '180' and stepped out.

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Re: Is this the beginning of the end?

You ask for progressive commentary, yet are you truly open and welcome to all responses without fear?

You will probably get input you find overly uncomfortable the way you currently feel, are all your fears something that could truly manifest or are you simply fearful of the unknown for the sake of fear?

We give too much importance to our imagined outcomes and not enough to our present solutions.

Impermanence is another way of accepting life for what it is... make the best of today, tomorrow will rise a new beginning for whatever you wish that hope to be.

ps. let the trembling be from excitement, any other tremble is wasted energy.
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I know I haven't posted in awhile, and in part it's due to my anxiety over the political situation that has currently taken over the US. I'm very much a progressive, and though I certainly wasn't a fan of Hillary, I bit my tongue and voted for her, because she's better than the demagogue we've currently got. And now we've got a demagogue in the White House, a Republican house, a Republican Senate, and potentially anywhere between one and three new Republican Supreme Court members. God save us.

Between Trump's destructive climate policies (placing a climate change denier in charge of the EPA springs immediately to mind) and the fact that he was literally endorsed by the KKK, I genuinely believe this might be the end of the world. Or, alright, the start of the end of the world. Will we even have a habitable planet by the time I'm 80? Perhaps not, considering our new president's climate policies.

For 2 weeks now I have been unbearably anxious. Sedatives do little. For the first week post-election I didn't do anything but cry. I took time off from school and I laid in my bed with several handkerchiefs and several boxes of tissues and bawled almost constantly. The second week I've been floating somewhere in between panic and grim acceptance. "Oh God help us this is the end of society what do we do?!!" or "Well... I'm gonna die soon. Pity, that." have been my two dominant trains of thought. Over the last few days I've been able to relax a little bit and enjoy life to some degree, but the thought is always in the back of my mind that we've elected Orange Hitler to run our country, and now there are groups openly talking about whether Jews are human.

As usual, the only constant in my life has been my dear and beloved husband. He's done his best to hold me when I cry, promise me that he'll (somehow) protect us from whatever is coming our way, and make sure I keep a basic level of functioning (eating, sleeping, etc). He's even done his best to navigate smoothly around my changing and chaotic biological schedule. Rather than being upset that I ate his chicken, for example, he told me he was just glad I was still eating. He's been an absolute hero. Thank the stars for good men who love us.

Anyway, if there are any Democrats or progressives reading this, what's your take? Is this the moment that we'll look back on years from now and say, "Yep. This was the catalyst for WWIII and the moment we set our Earth onto a downward spiral of climate chaos."?

My therapist told me yesterday to post my political worries to a forum with both sides of our political spectrum. Here seemed like a good place, as good as any. It's not nearly totally liberal like Reddit, nor is it totally progressive like Tumblr. So I'll turn to you. Are you afraid? If you are, what have you done to mitigate your fears somewhat? Do you have a safety plan for when it all goes down? If you're not afraid, why not? Please tell me. I could really do with a little bit of hope right now.
Please remember this when it turns out it isn't the end of the world. Then remember all the people who told you it would be the end of the world. Nothing much is going to change. Right now you are treating politics like an act of faith. It's not. Both sides lie to you to make you scared so you will vote for them, just like the preacher who demands your money. I know you don't believe that, but you will see it. Again when you do remember this moment and how you thought the world was going to end and who told you it was going to.

By the way I am not saying Trump won't do some things you don't like but it is not the end of the world. You really need to broaden your sources of info.

Why not post your specific fears.

By the way have you even watched any of Trumps speeches, did you watch his 60 minutes interview? What makes you think he is a white supremacist?

Before Trump there were guys asking whither Jews were human and there will be long afterwards. Remember Obama was endorsed by Farrakhan who said pretty much the same thing.

I didn't vote for Trump by the way.

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Sorry you feel this way Ella but the world has endured centuries of presidents of all walks, thoughts and religions. We still march on.

BTW, Hillary said one of her mentors was Senator Robert Byrd. Senator Byrd is/was part of the KKK.

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Every solid object has a harmonic frequency at which it will vibrate when excited by another separate and outside force.

In the human body the only thing that is hard enough and large enough to synchronize with an outside vibration, such as speech, is the skull.

If I say what I think and what I feel, a glass head and mind will "sing" and explode.
Umm, run that by me again?

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You ask for progressive commentary, yet are you truly open and welcome to all responses without fear?
Yes, as open and welcome as I can be. Spilling one's guts on a public forum is like standing in the middle of an arena and speaking, and waiting for audience members to come up and either hug you or slap you. I welcome the hugs, and I've braced myself for the blows.

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are all your fears something that could truly manifest or are you simply fearful of the unknown for the sake of fear?
I think they could all plausibly happen. For example, I fear starvation due to lack of food due to climate-change-induced drought due to Trump's anti-climate policies. Yes, it's a ways off, but it could happen. Other things I fear are widespread poverty and warfare, also due to said policies and climate change.

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We give too much importance to our imagined outcomes and not enough to our present solutions.
I would like to know what the solutions are. I feel quite helpless at present. My husband is British so the only solution I've found might be in fleeing to England... but from the news I've read, England isn't faring too terribly much better at the moment.

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Impermanence is another way of accepting life for what it is... make the best of today, tomorrow will rise a new beginning for whatever you wish that hope to be.
Honestly, all I hope for tomorrow and the other tomorrows after it is to keep the life I have now- the life I fear losing. If I do end up losing my home, my country, or my way of life in general, perhaps I may find a way to carry on, although right now, from my current vantage point, summoning the will to live through a natural disaster or a famine seems all but impossible.

Thank you for your input.

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As I said before, I fear famine, natural disasters, war, being impoverished, being pushed out of our home... those things.

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Another non-progressive voice but here is my take. Nothing will really change. Just like Obama didn't take away any guns, Trump won't take away any abortions. Yes we will see some subtle changes (and they really will be subtle) but nothing really is going to change.
8 years ago, 'conservatives" (who BTW are just as progressive as the progressives they despise) were all in a state of panic over Obama. Yes the nation got ACA, but other than providing a ready target for blame, it really didn't change much for most "conservatives". Their premiums continued to go up, just like they had before, except now they could blame Obama instead of the insurance companies. Other than that, Obama continued the never ending War on Terror, in fact expanded it. Obama continued to fuel the economy on debt, just as his predecessor did. He didn't take anyone's guns. The sun rose every morning and set every night just like it had for millenia before.
In case that doesn't placate your soul, consider this. Trump has no coat tails. The GOP lost house and senate seats, as well as the popular vote. He certainly doesn't have a mandate, despite whatever his believers think.
The world isn't going to end because Trump was elected, the world wouldn't have ended had Clinton been elected.

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As I said before, I fear famine, natural disasters, war, being impoverished, being pushed out of our home... those things.
I wouldn't sweat the things we don't control. We don't control the weather. Natural disasters have been problems throughout history. If you're concerned, you could work on self-sustaining activities, get into some doomsday prepping and stockpile some goods. Consider get (This isn't me trying to convince you against climate change, but just pointing out reality)

As to being impoverished, what particularly makes you fear Trump will cause this? What about Trump do you fear will cause you to be pushed out of your home?

I don't think it's REM time just yet.
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As I said before, I fear famine, natural disasters, war, being impoverished, being pushed out of our home... those things.
And who instilled these fears?

Read up on the term "useful idiot". I'm not calling you an idiot. It concerns how people are manipulated/lied to who then become willing participants in destroying their own freedoms.

Don't believe the hype you are hearing.


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As to being impoverished, what particularly makes you fear Trump will cause this? What about Trump do you fear will cause you to be pushed out of your home?

If food is scarce, it will become so expensive no one will be able to afford to eat. Everyone will, therefore, be poor. And if the famine (and hurricanes, and drought, and earthquakes) goes on for long enough people might just pack whatever scant belongings they have and head elsewhere... perhaps Canada. We might become climate refugees.

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If food is scarce, it will become so expensive no one will be able to afford to eat. Everyone will, therefore, be poor. And if the famine (and hurricanes, and drought, and earthquakes) goes on for long enough people might just pack whatever scant belongings they have and head elsewhere... perhaps Canada. We might become climate refugees.
Okay...

You live in the US, right?
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If food is scarce, it will become so expensive no one will be able to afford to eat. Everyone will, therefore, be poor. And if the famine (and hurricanes, and drought, and earthquakes) goes on for long enough people might just pack whatever scant belongings they have and head elsewhere... perhaps Canada. We might become climate refugees.
Last time I checked climate is global. America has not corned the market on hurricanes, drought and earthquakes. Moving to Canada does not change the climate outlook nor food grown. Scant belongs??? This is sounding more like a Fall Out 4 prologue.....

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Okay...

You live in the US, right?
Yep.

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Last time I checked climate is global. America has not corned the market on hurricanes, drought and earthquakes. Moving to Canada does not change the climate outlook nor food grown. Scant belongs??? This is sounding more like a Fall Out 4 prologue.....
Climate change is global, yes, but it will affect some countries more than others. It's been theorized (I forget by whom but I will go back and cite my sources upon request) that if the US succumbs to famine due to the Midwest becoming unsuitably arid, Canada may be very prosperous, its once inclement cold being softened and its general climate taking on a more agreeable form. Basically, Canada would become the bread basket of the world because it would be warm enough for crops, and the southern US would become a desert.


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