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post #16 of 65 (permalink) Old 11-30-2016, 12:04 PM
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The Court has held over the course of many years, that while the burning of a flag or any other related object certainly constitutes a breach of various burning and incendiary statutes and laws, that as a violation, as such, of free speech, that it certainly would not be!


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I think there should be a fine. In other countries (Mexico for example) if you disrespect your nations flag, there are severe consequences.
Yeah, let's be more like Mexico! I wonder what Fidel Castro did to people who burned the Cuban flag. Sounds like a good approach to me!

People burn the flag to show displeasure about how your country is doing business. I find that the "anti-PC" crowd gets so offended when someone is burning a flag...which is done in protest. Maybe you should stop being so sensitive. I also love it when the "too much government" crowd also wants the government to enact laws that makes them feel uncomfortable. Then there isn't enough government.

GTFO with sending people to jail for burning the flag. Seriously? We are going to send people to PRISON and waste tax payer money on that? Did I say GTFO, cause GTFO with that BS.
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Understand the Supreme Court can be wrong. How can burning a flag in the streets be freedom of speech but burning trash a fineable offense? Because one represents something the other is just trash? If one is burning the flag, the flag and what it represents is then seen as trash by the person who lit the flag on fire. What is occurring is a fire being set in places that have laws concerning burning anything. Does not matter what one is burning. There should be fines for the fire being set. If fine not paid jail time.

Our supreme court hard at work. Term limits please:

I am totally with you from the perspective that the supreme had made some wrong decisions in the past, namely; Dred Scot vs. Sanford (1857) and Buck vs. Bell (1927), korematu vs. United States (1944), those are examples of horrible decisions that have left a black eye on the face of justice. But while i disagree with flag burning in general, putting any restrictions of any sort around the concept of flag burning could leave ambiguous interruption at the lower courts.
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Expression of political dissent is what happens in a free society. If you aren't brave enough to allow it, maybe you don't deserve to be free? The founders would be weeping, if they could see the kind of chicken sh!t country we have devolved into.

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I burned letters from an ex. Put me in jail.
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The Court has held over the course of many years, that while the burning of a flag or any other related object certainly constitutes a breach of various burning and incendiary statutes and laws, that as a violation, as such, of free speech, that it certainly would not be!
Wait, the soon to be president and the "crowd of strict constitutionalists" kinda feel like the Supreme Court has over stepped it's bounds. They shouldn't be "interpreting" the law of the land. Let the president do it!
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I am totally with you from the perspective that the supreme had made some wrong decisions in the past, namely; Dred Scot vs. Sanford (1857) and Buck vs. Bell (1927), korematu vs. United States (1944), those are examples of horrible decisions that have left a black eye on the face of justice. But while i disagree with flag burning in general, putting any restrictions of any sort around the concept of flag burning could leave ambiguous interruption at the lower courts.
I agree, what happens when it become a crime to criticize the POTUS. Or for that matter any elected or appointed official After all they represent the state. Those in favor of criminalizing flag burning are stepping onto a slippery slope from which there is little hope to escape.

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I don't get flag burning, but imo, other than any civil infraction for causing a fire in a place one normally doesn't expect fire is about all I would do to curtail it.
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Yeah, let's be more like Mexico! I wonder what Fidel Castro did to people who burned the Cuban flag. Sounds like a good approach to me!

People burn the flag to show displeasure about how your country is doing business. I find that the "anti-PC" crowd gets so offended when someone is burning a flag...which is done in protest. Maybe you should stop being so sensitive. I also love it when the "too much government" crowd also wants the government to enact laws that makes them feel uncomfortable. Then there isn't enough government.

GTFO with sending people to jail for burning the flag. Seriously? We are going to send people to PRISON and waste tax payer money on that? Did I say GTFO, cause GTFO with that BS.
I think maybe you need to re-read what I wrote. Did I say let's be like Mexico? I was only referencing it because I had an in depth discussion with my best friend who lives in/is from Mexico.

I did not say put people in jail, I said I think there should be a fine.

GTFO with your assumptions.
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Comparing burning the flag to burning trash is apples and oranges as they involve very different motivations.

If your argument is that there's a reason to ban public fires then ban it for everything. Specifically targeting the flag becomes political suppression based on who happens to be in charge.

Many of the people who scream about this are the same ones screaming about small govt, which supports the idea that most of them don't actually believe in freedom.

They believe in it when they agree with what's going on.

And I've known plenty of people who wear the flag on their arse in the form of flag shorts who will scream about the flag but have never served a day in their lives or otherwise done anything for anyone.

And they stockpile plenty of guns so the gov't can't tell them what to do.

Double standard much?

If you're worried about flag disrespect how about outlawing flag shorts.....so nobody can sit in a representation of our flag. How many would scream over govt intrusion if that happened?

Be very careful about suppressing free speech simply because you happen to like the current govt viewpoint. You may not like it in 4 or 8 years, and who knows what may be outlawed by someone you don't like.

Freedom and protests are what separate us from dictatorships.

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I am totally with you from the perspective that the supreme had made some wrong decisions in the past, namely; Dred Scot vs. Sanford (1857) and Buck vs. Bell (1927), korematu vs. United States (1944), those are examples of horrible decisions that have left a black eye on the face of justice. But while i disagree with flag burning in general, putting any restrictions of any sort around the concept of flag burning could leave ambiguous interruption at the lower courts.
Here is were we split the difference. There is something burning in a place that has laws against open burning. So, someone rolls in and lights a newspaper on fire. He is fined for breaking the law. Another person rolls in and lights an American flag on fire in the same place but it is seen as freedom of speech. This individual should be fined for starting a fire in an area restricted to open fires. Make it a stiff fine cause it was the American flag.

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I think maybe you need to re-read what I wrote. Did I say let's be like Mexico? I was only referencing it because I had an in depth discussion with my best friend who lives in/is from Mexico.

I did not say put people in jail, I said I think there should be a fine.

GTFO with your assumptions.
My comments were more directed to what the pres-elect has stated as well as other people. The direct comment about Mexico was meant to be directed right at you. Apologize for misconstruing that. Fining people for burning the flag is ridiculous too. We shouldn't be implementing legislation about burning the flag nor should we limit free speech like that.
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Comparing burning the flag to burning trash is apples and oranges as they involve very different motivations.
Starting a fire is starting a fire. Does not matter what the fuel is. Fine should be imposed. Some ideological idea does not trump(no pun intended) the laws.

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Freedom and protests are what separate us from dictatorships.
A BIC lighter and a flag is all that separates us from burning down an entire neighborhood. There should be fines imposed just like any other illegal fire started.

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The supreme court said this is protected speech.

OK, fine

Starting a fire without a permit.

Causing a public disturbance.

These are laws already on the books.

Charge these people with misdemeanors

Let them pay a fine.

Let see what jobs they get when a future employer runs a background check on them.

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