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post #31 of 65 (permalink) Old 11-30-2016, 12:42 PM
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Starting a fire is starting a fire. Does not matter what the fuel is. Fine should be imposed. Some ideological idea does not trump(no pun intended) the laws.
If you'd read what I posted you'd see that I said if you want to ban public fires that's fine. Specifically targeting flag burning while ignoring other public fires is politically motivated.

If you want to ban the burning of all things for public safety by all mean go ahead.

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There is a distinct overlap between people opposed to hate crimes and those who support punishment for flag burning. FTR I am opposed to both.

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My comments were more directed to what the pres-elect has stated as well as other people. The direct comment about Mexico was meant to be directed right at you. Apologize for misconstruing that. Fining people for burning the flag is ridiculous too. We shouldn't be implementing legislation about burning the flag nor should we limit free speech like that.
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If you'd read what I posted you'd see that I said if you want to ban public fires that's fine. Specifically targeting flag burning while ignoring other public fires is politically motivated.

If you want to ban the burning of all things for public safety by all mean go ahead.
Missed that portion, sorry. A majority of major cities have a ban on public fires. Now, how many random fires have we seen? How many open acts of burning a flag in a city have we seen? No one is targeting a flag burner. However, it is ignored when a flag is lit up. The person lighting the flag is let go because it is free speech. That is nonsense. A fire is a fire is a fire. All should be treated equally under the law. But....a good flag burning video or picture make for good new ratings.

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Here is were we split the difference. There is something burning in a place that has laws against open burning. So, someone rolls in and lights a newspaper on fire. He is fined for breaking the law. Another person rolls in and lights an American flag on fire in the same place but it is seen as freedom of speech. This individual should be fined for starting a fire in an area restricted to open fires. Make it a stiff fine cause it was the American flag.
wait wait wait...if there is a ban on burning outside and one guy is burning bush and the other guy is burning flags...they both get fined regardless of what they are burning. At that point it has nothing to do with freedom...its about burning
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wait wait wait...if there is a ban on burning outside and one guy is burning bush and the other guy is burning flags...they both get fined regardless of what they are burning. At that point it has nothing to do with freedom...its about burning
Exactly....however, how many persons who burned a flag were fined or carted off for booking?

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Trump quoted: "Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!"

Trump: Burn the flag, go to jail.


Hillary Clinton co-sponsored bill to jail flag burners in 2005

So what do you think about this?
What I think is that I am weary of attempts to legislate against anything that people find offensive.
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Exactly....however, how many persons who burned a flag were fined or carted off for booking?
probably the same number that have burned a cigarette
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Exactly....however, how many persons who burned a flag were fined or carted off for booking?
i don't know, but the questions is where those flags were burnt was there a ban against open fires....if no then there is no crime committed according to legal statue.

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What I think is that I am weary of attempts to legislate against anything that people find offensive.
As we should be.

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i don't know, but the questions is where those flags were burnt was there a ban against open fires....if no then there is no crime committed according to legal statue.
Open fires in inner cites are, by and large, banned. Some open fires require permits. Burning of leaves is banned. Agricultural burning requires health department ok. This is just Baltimore's and surrounding area laws. Burning of a flag is apparently is ignored.

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probably the same number that have burned a cigarette

There are laws on this now as well. Banned in business, bars and restaurants were I live. Fine can be imposed. In my experience, I haven not witnessed anyone breaking the law concerning were a cigarette can be lit and smoked.

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Open fires in inner cites are, by and large, banned. Some open fires require permits. Burning of leaves is banned. Agricultural burning requires health department ok. This is just Baltimore's and surrounding area laws. Burning of a flag is apparently is ignored.
I am not joining the now 50+% of the population who live in Urban areas. This is the reason. I drive a truck, I light fires, I pee in the woods. If I need a safe space to work out my grief, I pick up a gun and go for a walk. And NOBODY cares.
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