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post #31 of 42 (permalink) Old 12-03-2016, 11:24 AM
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Note, too, that the federal statute does not require the person intend harm to the USA. 18USC793 sets a standard of "gross negligence". Comey's July statement on the email certainly outlined grossly negligent activity, and he even used the words "extremely careless" to describe Hillary's actions. Is there a difference between gross negligence and extreme carelessness?

But that was not the standard Comey used to make his decision. He used criminal intent as his standard, which is not what the law calls for. And it is not the standard used to prosecute and convict numerous other people under that same statute.

Why would Comey do this? And why would Lynch hide mutely in her office and go along with the charade?

Occam says politics. Dirty politics, protecting the President politics, protecting HRH Hillary politics, protecting the DNC politics. Pretty simple really. Prosecute Hillary and you hand the White House to Trump back in July.
When I heard that press conference, I asked myself, "If I were in Comey's position, and I was a patriot, what would I do?" The answer is "Exactly what he did", because if he recommended prosecution, he would have been fired and the prosecution wouldn't have gone ahead anyway. So all he could do was to lay out the prosecution's case for them, then say "But I'm not recommending prosecution".


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As a patriot I come down on the other side. The law is the law, nobody is above it. Do the investigation, make the same recommendation as I would for any schmoe who isn't a Clinton. Let the DoJ take the political heat.

I seriously wonder what kind of blackmail Comey was subjected to. He has a reputation for honesty, so by doing what he did he really destroyed his credibility. A Trump administration probably means the end of his government career. If Hillary had won, he would still have a good career. But his reputation is such it doesn't seem he made a personal career choice.

Had he been fired for recommending prosecution, he would have had numerous lucrative private sector opportunities.

Also, is it public record what the FBI recommends to DoJ? Could he have simply sent the results of the investigation to the DoJ and made a simple "we don't comment publicly on the content of investigations nor on what the DoJ may do with it"?
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As a patriot I come down on the other side. The law is the law, nobody is above it. Do the investigation, make the same recommendation as I would for any schmoe who isn't a Clinton. Let the DoJ take the political heat.

I seriously wonder what kind of blackmail Comey was subjected to. He has a reputation for honesty, so by doing what he did he really destroyed his credibility. A Trump administration probably means the end of his government career. If Hillary had won, he would still have a good career. But his reputation is such it doesn't seem he made a personal career choice.

Had he been fired for recommending prosecution, he would have had numerous lucrative private sector opportunities.

Also, is it public record what the FBI recommends to DoJ? Could he have simply sent the results of the investigation to the DoJ and made a simple "we don't comment publicly on the content of investigations nor on what the DoJ may do with it"?
Yes, of course the normal procedure is to have a low-level person handle it quietly, not to have a press conference laying out the case for prosecution, much less following that with a statement that he wouldn't recommend prosecution.

That's why I thought that he was a patriot who did the absolute maximum he could do given a rigged system where the fix was in at DOJ.

Then when I heard the November surprise about new evidence, I was sure of it.

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The problem with this is that there was no separation between state and private matters. She was selling her office for private gain, so she couldn't allow anything to be visible to FOIA requests.
And, as mentioned, the best way to hide evidence is to not create it in the first place... What you describe seems to happen mostly in corporate training videos, not real life.

What's next, look for invoices?



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And, as mentioned, the best way to hide evidence is to not create it in the first place... What you describe seems to happen mostly in corporate training videos, not real life.

What's next, look for invoices?
The pattern of "gigantic fees for speeches and/or gigantic contributions to their 'charity', followed or preceded by official action" is clear enough for any competent prosecutor to win a public corruption case. Giuliani has said that this is a much easier case than many that he won.

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The pattern of "gigantic fees for speeches and/or gigantic contributions to their 'charity', followed or preceded by official action" is clear enough for any competent prosecutor to win a public corruption case. Giuliani has said that this is a much easier case than many that he won.
That's not what I asked, but anyhow.

They've had plenty of evidence of the above, yet prosecution, or conviction, remains a pipedream.

HRC has been investigated to oblivion. Nothing has come up so far. So....

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That's not what I asked, but anyhow.

They've had plenty of evidence of the above, yet prosecution, or conviction, remains a pipedream.

HRC has been investigated to oblivion. Nothing has come up so far. So....

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That's not what I asked, but anyhow.

They've had plenty of evidence of the above, yet prosecution, or conviction, remains a pipedream.

HRC has been investigated to oblivion. Nothing has come up so far. So....
What has come up so far is that the fix has been in for Hillary.

I'm assuming that the fix will no longer be in once Trump gets into office, but we'll see then.

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What has come up so far is that the fix has been in for Hillary.

I'm assuming that the fix will no longer be in once Trump gets into office, but we'll see then.
If HRC isn't prosecuted once Trump gets in to office then it means that he is part of the conspiracy too? If she is prosecuted but not convicted then it means that those people are part of the conspiracy?
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If HRC isn't prosecuted once Trump gets in to office then it means that he is part of the conspiracy too? If she is prosecuted but not convicted then it means that those people are part of the conspiracy?
No, it means they don't care about justice as much as we thought they did.

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No, it means they don't care about justice as much as we thought they did.
Given the track record of backpedaling of the administration-in-waiting I would not be surprised to (A) see some action to pacify the "lock her up" contingent and (B) then do nothing.

That's how the swamp works. If nobody went to jail for dragging the USA to war under blatantly false reasons, HRC is not going to walk the plank for "lesser" offenses.

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If HRC isn't prosecuted once Trump gets in to office then it means that he is part of the conspiracy too? If she is prosecuted but not convicted then it means that those people are part of the conspiracy?
Personal opinion on this... I don't think conspiracy is the right term. It could be construed as a conspiracy of silence, which isn't an uncommon phenomenon. More likely, it's just people realizing that now that they're in power, they don't want someone doing this to them when they're out of power.

It would signal that some animals are more equal than others. Which is something most Americans should have been aware of before Hilary's run for POTUS. I think it's a long shot to expect people who make / enforce the the law to enforce the law upon themselves. There's been tremendous evidence of conspiracy to enforce the law unequally with this administration, but Obama's Administration wasn't the first to do this by a long shot. The prevalence of the internet, smartphones, etc has merely made this more visible than in previous decades. This is not limited to the BLUE TEAM.

It would be nice to see this played out in the courts, as it should. But there is little incentive for the Trump Administration to do so. It will be dragged through the press as unjust and partisan, regardless of the evidence. I think he has more to lose from this than to gain, which is sad for justice.

It's always been this way, in every nation. I think this is human nature, and I don't know that there is a way to change that, especially not en-mass.

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