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Your government doesn't pay for abortions!!!!!
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Mine does.
You must have a government in which one of the political parties didn't get in bed with a particular religion and attempt to make your country theocratic.

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You must have a government in which one of the political parties didn't get in bed with a particular religion and attempt to make your country theocratic.
No clue. I live in Alberta, Canada, and most provinces here pay for abortions. But then, our provinces pay for a LOT of health care costs the American government doesn't

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Your government doesn't pay for abortions!!!!!



Planned Parenthood offers all GYN health care needs to those who can't afford a regular doctor, those who are uninsured, those who can't access GYN services on their own through their regular channels (like teenagers who want birth control but can't or won't ask parents to take them to the doctor to get birth control) Planned Parenthood does Pap test, diagnoses and treats UTI's and STI's, they teach breast self examination, and they offer birth control. These are the services the government pays for.



The government funds DO NOT and MAY NOT be used for abortion services.






Planned Parenthood is not an abortion mill and the analogy doesn't fit.



A puppy mill spits out litters of puppies and the litters are kept in cages where their health and development are so severely neglected that a large percentage of puppy mill puppies grow into dogs with behavior problems.



Planned parenthood does a great deal more that provide abortion services.


Your accounting logic is faulty. The government's handout to PP simply shifts its donation money and fee for services money, which funds the abortions.

It's the same shell games states use to say lottery and gambling money is used to fund education. They simply shift general revenue money out of education and replace it with the gambling money.

Corporations do it to. And everyday people in the households.

For example, Grandma gives me $200. I use that to buy clothing. I take the money I budgeted for those clothes and buy liquor. Grandma funded my liquor but i can tell her i bought clothes.

If I didn't have Grandma's money, i could only afford the clothes.

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Can we PLEASE give Texas back to Mexico?

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Planned Parenthood repurposes human tissue for research, just like every single hospital and lab does. Every time your blood is drawn, a biopsy taken, Pap tests, etc, left over tissue is sold to research. And there is almost always left over tissue and blood. None of the tissues left over ever get disposed of unless there is no other research that is in need of tissue to study. Colleges, universities, drug companies....they all buy left over human tissue. This is not a money making endeavor. A fee is collected to offset the cost of containing, storing and sending left over blood and or human tissue.

So if Texas is going to make these stupid ass laws, with no basis is actual science, then be prepared to have to pay for burial services for all left over human tissue!

As usual, this law will be struck down after the state and the federal government pays to have the case go all the way through the appeals process.
Utter and complete non-sense. Every bit of this is considered bio-hazardous waste and disposed of the same way as a wound dressing or surgical waste. Never is 'leftover' blood, fluid, tissue or any other human component sold to research without the express consent of the donor. At this it is exceedingly rare. This however seems to be the problem that many have regarding aborted fetuses. Does the 'donor' mom give consent for selling tissue? Does she have to declare or register to have these repurposed parts sold?

The second bolded doubles down on lack of information. To say that only when we run out of research does anything get disposed of is laughable. I understand your passion for the subject but to completely bomb the 'science' and info part of your opening post damages the credibility of our argument.

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How about that instead @Anon Pink
Yes,

Modified to say "I don't like it, I never have, it devalues life in my eyes... I wish my government didn't offer funding to organizations who perform or promote it, and that women considering it were given quality care and counseling" fits the same sentiment but more accurately stated, thank you @Kivlor.
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I learned long ago if you don't know the facts just make them up.

I suspect that PP has in their legal print that they can sell the fetuses. Few read or understand all the papers medical facilities make you sign and initial.

So the moms probably do give consent unknowingly or are told their action will help save lives (except that of the baby of course)

By the same logic it is ok to kill people for body parts because more lives will be saved than taken.
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Utter and complete non-sense. Every bit of this is considered bio-hazardous waste and disposed of the same way as a wound dressing or surgical waste. Never is 'leftover' blood, fluid, tissue or any other human component sold to research without the express consent of the donor. At this it is exceedingly rare. This however seems to be the problem that many have regarding aborted fetuses. Does the 'donor' mom give consent for selling tissue? Does she have to declare or register to have these repurposed parts sold?

The second bolded doubles down on lack of information. To say that only when we run out of research does anything get disposed of is laughable. I understand your passion for the subject but to completely bomb the 'science' and info part of your opening post damages the credibility of our argument.

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Human Tissue Ownership and Use in Research: What Laboratorians and Researchers Should Know | Clinical Chemistry

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Right now, tissues belonging to millions of Americans are being used in scientific research without patients' consent. That's because a rule designed long before genetic analysis was able to reidentify samples makes it legal to do so. If that makes you uncomfortable, then you have until tomorrow night to let the US government know.

Currently, scientists are allowed to use leftover tissues from blood tests, surgeries, and biopsies for research without patients' permission if the patient’s identity is removed. But now that genetic testing has made it possible to link tissues back to their donors, the US government wants to change that. That's why federal regulators have proposed a number of revisions to the Federal Policy for Protection of Human Subjects — a policy that regulates research on humans as well as on their tissues and genes. Among these changes is a proposal that would require that scientists obtain consent for research on biospecimens, regardless of whether the tissues are anonymous or not.

Neat little trick... that when someone doubts something I say, the burden is then on ME to prove my statement is true.

So when I say someone else has posted something false, something I think they made up, it is their burden to prove it true, particularly when I've supplied credible links proving it to be FALSE!!!

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Yes,

Modified to say "I don't like it, I never have, it devalues life in my eyes... I wish my government didn't offer funding to organizations who perform or promote it, and that women considering it were given quality care and counseling" fits the same sentiment but more accurately stated, thank you @Kivlor.
Instead of forcing women to have an unwanted pregnancy progress, why don't we put our energy into PREVENTING unwanted pregnancies? Great idea right? That's what Planned Parenthood does. Says so right in the name, plan your parenthood!

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Instead of forcing women to have an unwanted pregnancy progress, why don't we put our energy into PREVENTING unwanted pregnancies? Great idea right? That's what Planned Parenthood does. Says so right in the name, plan your parenthood!


There is no forcing women to have unwanted pregnancies.

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There is no forcing women to have unwanted pregnancies.

Outlawing safe and legal abortion does just that.

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Outlawing safe and legal abortion does just that.
Maybe they should practice safe sex?

Isn't that what you would say to men, who find themselves with a kid they don't want on the way?

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Outlawing safe and legal abortion does just that.


Going back to the OP, this law doesn't do that.
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Instead of forcing women to have an unwanted pregnancy progress, why don't we put our energy into PREVENTING unwanted pregnancies? Great idea right? That's what Planned Parenthood does. Says so right in the name, plan your parenthood!

I like this a lot AP... with just as much care and counseling and prevention and no more Planned UNparenthood through abortion..
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I like this a lot AP... with just as much care and counseling and prevention and no more Planned UNparenthood through abortion..
I have been saying that for YEARS!!!! It is stupid, not to mention a violation of my rights as an autonomous adult woman, to regulate my uterus in order to prevent abortions.

Here are my ideas:

Young men make several deposits in a sperm bank, or several sperm banks for safety sake. Once a young man wishes to become sexually active, he has a vasectomy so that he cannot cause a pregnancy without his consent or without her consent. Presto, no more abortions, no more unwanted pregnancies, no more baby daddy, no more paternity law suits. Babies will arrive because the parents wanted them, planned for them and were ready for them.

Annnd you're welcome!


Ouch, don't like to have the government force you to do something with your body do you?

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