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I have been saying that for YEARS!!!! It is stupid, not to mention a violation of my rights as an autonomous adult woman, to regulate my uterus in order to prevent abortions.

Here are my ideas:

Young men make several deposits in a sperm bank, or several sperm banks for safety sake. Once a young man wishes to become sexually active, he has a vasectomy so that he cannot cause a pregnancy without his consent or without her consent. Presto, no more abortions, no more unwanted pregnancies, no more baby daddy, no more paternity law suits. Babies will arrive because the parents wanted them, planned for them and were ready for them.

Annnd you're welcome!


Ouch, don't like to have the government force you to do something with your body do you?

There you go again...

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I have been saying that for YEARS!!!! It is stupid, not to mention a violation of my rights as an autonomous adult woman, to regulate my uterus in order to prevent abortions.

Here are my ideas:

Young men make several deposits in a sperm bank, or several sperm banks for safety sake. Once a young man wishes to become sexually active, he has a vasectomy so that he cannot cause a pregnancy without his consent or without her consent. Presto, no more abortions, no more unwanted pregnancies, no more baby daddy, no more paternity law suits. Babies will arrive because the parents wanted them, planned for them and were ready for them.

Annnd you're welcome!


Ouch, don't like to have the government force you to do something with your body do you?

I actually really, really like this idea. I'd sign up for this. We end abortions, we end unplanned pregnancy, we end paternity suits....

This should be a thing.

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I have been saying that for YEARS!!!! It is stupid, not to mention a violation of my rights as an autonomous adult woman, to regulate my uterus in order to prevent abortions.

Here are my ideas:

Young men make several deposits in a sperm bank, or several sperm banks for safety sake. Once a young man wishes to become sexually active, he has a vasectomy so that he cannot cause a pregnancy without his consent or without her consent. Presto, no more abortions, no more unwanted pregnancies, no more baby daddy, no more paternity law suits. Babies will arrive because the parents wanted them, planned for them and were ready for them.

Annnd you're welcome!


Ouch, don't like to have the government force you to do something with your body do you?
You can have my vas deferens when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

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I'm okay with state-funded abortion. I do not think abortion should be mandatory, though.

Every child a wanted child, I say.

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I'm okay with state-funded abortion. I do not think abortion should be mandatory, though.

Every child a wanted child, I say.
Mandatory abortion?

I am not sure I understand... mandatory in what sense?
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Mandatory abortion?

I am not sure I understand... mandatory in what sense?
I don't think the state, or anyone else, for that matter, should be able to force a woman to abort. It needs to be a free will decision.

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I don't think the state, or anyone else, for that matter, should be able to force a woman to abort. It needs to be a free will decision.
What state forces a woman to abort?
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What state forces a woman to abort?
China used to. There may have been, or still be, others.

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China used to. There may have been, or still be, others.
Ah, now I understand... North Korea does too.
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I'm okay with state-funded abortion. I do not think abortion should be mandatory, though.



Every child a wanted child, I say.

How about just not saving sex instead of sucking money from the taxpayers.

Free phone, free abortions. Where does it end?

Your "every child a wanted child" statement conflicts with you position on abortion.

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Texas will require aborted fetuses to be buried or cremated - CNN.com



(CNN)"The Governor says they are "giving voice to the unborn." Critics say they are a naked attempt to shame and financially burden Texas women seeking abortions.



They are controversial new rules in Texas which will require abortion clinics to bury or cremate fetal remains."




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Good thread @jld It highlights the abuse of power of those supposedly in charge. Over regulation.

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Can we PLEASE give Texas back to Mexico?

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1) Planned Parenthood repurposes human tissue for research, 2) just like every single hospital and lab does. 3) Every time your blood is drawn, a biopsy taken, Pap tests, etc, left over tissue is sold to research. And there is almost always left over tissue and blood. 4) None of the tissues left over ever get disposed of unless there is no other research that is in need of tissue to study. Colleges, universities, drug companies....they all buy left over human tissue. 5) This is not a money making endeavor. A fee is collected to offset the cost of containing, storing and sending left over blood and or human tissue.

So if Texas is going to make these stupid ass laws, with no basis is actual science, then be prepared to have to pay for burial services for all left over human tissue!

As usual, this law will be struck down after the state and the federal government pays to have the case go all the way through the appeals process.
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Human Tissue Ownership and Use in Research: What Laboratorians and Researchers Should Know | Clinical Chemistry

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Neat little trick... that when someone doubts something I say, the burden is then on ME to prove my statement is true.

Your links do not support the statements you made and in a few cases dis-prove them.


So when I say someone else has posted something false, something I think they made up, it is their burden to prove it true, particularly when I've supplied credible links proving it to be FALSE!!!
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Euphemism aside this is a true statement
Point 2)
Associated euphemism aside this is also a true statement.
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This is absolutely, categorically untrue. Stating that EVERY time and IS sold is not supported by the links you provided nor by my 25+ years working in medicine, nor by the tons of bio-hazardous waste produced by healthcare facilities. Tissue, slides, sera etc are used in research but represent a minute portion of samples drawn/taken. Using this portion of truth to try to make your big statement true does not hold water.
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This is the doubling down on point 3. Your links do not support the notion that EVERY sample or specimen is used for research and that those drawn are never disposed of.
Point 5) Yes it is. Your first link clearly showed in different lawsuits that some donors wished to be included in profits gained from research. Ie. Moore v. Regents of University of California -- Where a cell line was patented and sold. And. Greenberg v. Miami Children's Research Hospital Institute -- Where a genetic test was developed to identify Canavan disease. You and I have no way to prove or show that Planned Parenthood does not profit from selling body parts. But I can fairly safely state that medical research is heavily weighted with a financial benefit in mind.

If you want to make an argument for the practices of Planned Parenthood you should probably leave out the "every, always and never" statements.

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Splitting hairs aside, my statements remain true. If a hospital, clinic, or lab is in the practice of selling off unused tissue and blood, they will seek to sell unused tissue and blood wherever possible and only dispose of such when there is no place to sell the left over material.

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Splitting hairs aside, my statements remain true. If a hospital, clinic, or lab is in the practice of selling off unused tissue and blood, they will seek to sell unused tissue and blood wherever possible and only dispose of such when there is no place to sell the left over material.


Which means probably 5% or less is sold based on the sheer volume of samples taken.

So always means 5%.

However PP wants to sell 100% of fetus because it is a profit center for them.

This law cuts into their profits, so they are against it. They wont cut abortions, which is their primary mission. They will claim the law hurts their ability to provide cancer screening.

That is simply creative accounting and a lie. It is a lie because it proves they are co-mingling funds. And that proves government (taxpayer) funds are used to support their abortion business.
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