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I'll out not PC you. I think fighting aged women should be sent back to their home countries to fight alongside their men or to at least operate as support staff. Babies, tweens and the elderly can stay, everybody else can head back home and get their country sorted.
I can get behind this....However (IME, NOT EVERY WOMAN), females seem to have a much harder time pulling trigger and can be an effecrive tool to manipulate soldiers....

I have found that the front line, in terms of battle, is the least effective location to focus your resources in terms of bullets to bodies. The best thing you can achieve is to reduce the effectiveness of the soldiers on the battlefield. By crippling support and supply theough direct action, effectiveness is reduced. By engaging civilian areas you create disruption on the lines by engaing the fear of the soldiers on the ground in terma of their families. Unless discipline is high, they will leave the fight.


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I'll out not PC you. I think fighting aged women should be sent back to their home countries to fight alongside their men or to at least operate as support staff. Babies, tweens and the elderly can stay, everybody else can head back home and get their country sorted.
Sapientia, the woman had shared the plan, said that having the women stay and get educated raised the family's standard of living in the long run. They became more independent with the men away.

But if the women prefer to go back, they should certainly be allowed to.

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I'm not surprised these guys are too big of cowards to stay and fight.

Men who bully and abuse women are weak and pathetic and certainly not capable of actually fighting other men. All they know how to do is bully people of lesser power.

That's was General Mattis was talking about with his "ain't got no manhood" comments.
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I'm not surprised these guys are too big of cowards to stay and fight.

Men who bully and abuse women are weak and pathetic and certainly not capable of actually fighting other men. All they know how to do is bully people of lesser power.

That's was General Mattis was talking about with his "ain't got no manhood" comments.
Well it all comes down to politics. No government wants to be seen as tyrannical. Europe has good police forces who could easily and quickly deal with these threats, but they have weasels running the show who won't let them take the gloves off.
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It ain't just in Europe. Be hey, this wasn't the Syrians. It was those other Middle Eastern boy and it wasn't a rape. It was a sexual assault.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f4404db0be18

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America, like Europe, produces thugs. I see that Afghanistan produces them too.

Let me remind you that the good people of the Okinawa prefecture want to kick out the American soldiers for the same reason.

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They should kick the American soldiers out.

If they're going to act like animals in other peoples' countries they don't need to be there.
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They should kick the American soldiers out.

If they're going to act like animals in other peoples' countries they don't need to be there.
It is more complicated than this. Japan wants the US presence. The Okinawa people are not the only ones with a say in it.

Europe is facing many challenges. German's political leaders (at least the ones in power now) have recognized they have a birth rate issue. They are using this humanitarian catastrophe as a way to address this population challenge. It seems, at times, a gamble. It can backfire. But if Germany wants to remain the power house it is today, it needs an educated population. The Syrians, in particular, that are rich enough to travel are educated.

We live in a fascinating world. I hope that reason will prevail and not the darkness of fanaticism, whether it is in the Middle East, Europe or the US.

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Sapientia, the woman had shared the plan, said that having the women stay and get educated raised the family's standard of living in the long run. They became more independent with the men away.

But if the women prefer to go back, they should certainly be allowed to.
I think I prefer sending them back home to fight or/and rebuild in their homelands. Part of the reason for that is independence. Women who take up arms to defend their homelands are very unlikely to allow themselves to be relegated to 2nd class citizens afterward.

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I can get behind this....However (IME, NOT EVERY WOMAN), females seem to have a much harder time pulling trigger and can be an effecrive tool to manipulate soldiers....

I have found that the front line, in terms of battle, is the least effective location to focus your resources in terms of bullets to bodies. The best thing you can achieve is to reduce the effectiveness of the soldiers on the battlefield. By crippling support and supply theough direct action, effectiveness is reduced. By engaging civilian areas you create disruption on the lines by engaing the fear of the soldiers on the ground in terma of their families. Unless discipline is high, they will leave the fight.
So, what? Men on what passes for front lines in civil war/revolt and women basically sabotaging and engaging in something resembling guerrilla warfare in the cities that have thus far been safe for civilians?


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It is more complicated than this. Japan wants the US presence. The Okinawa people are not the only ones with a say in it.

Europe is facing many challenges. German's political leaders (at least the ones in power now) have recognized they have a birth rate issue. They are using this humanitarian catastrophe as a way to address this population challenge. It seems, at times, a gamble. It can backfire. But if Germany wants to remain the power house it is today, it needs an educated population. The Syrians, in particular, that are rich enough to travel are educated.

We live in a fascinating world. I hope that reason will prevail and not the darkness of fanaticism, whether it is in the Middle East, Europe or the US.

It is my understanding, and please correct me if I'm wrong, that a big part of the reason Europe has a birth rate problem is lack of child care.

So women have to choose between a career and a family.

If one is of a mind to stay home and raise kids and has a man to support it that might be ok, but for women who want to work it's not.

I can't imagine life without my sons, but I can tell you that if I'd had to choose between motherhood and a career I'd be childless.
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I think I prefer sending them back home to fight or/and rebuild in their homelands. Part of the reason for that is independence. Women who take up arms to defend their homelands are very unlikely to allow themselves to be relegated to 2nd class citizens afterward.
Sapi said that it was having the men sent away from the women that allowed the women to become independent. They got some education, learned to drive, and basically became able to get along without men. With the men around, it was hard to get away from the expectation of female subservience.

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It is my understanding, and please correct me if I'm wrong, that a big part of the reason Europe has a birth rate problem is lack of child care.

So women have to choose between a career and a family.

If one is of a mind to stay home and raise kids and has a man to support it that might be ok, but for women who want to work it's not.

I can't imagine life without my sons, but I can tell you that if I'd had to choose between motherhood and a career I'd be childless.
I do not think it is linked to childcare. Western Europe has many childcare options and very generous parental leave benefits. I have many German colleagues who have left work for 2 years to raise a child and have come back. Their position is protected by law.

Like in the US, women have careers and have kids later in life. If it were not for immigration, the US would have a population challenge as well.

Europe made a huge mistake by restricting immigration, thinking it would save its jobs. Instead it destroyed economical growth, favored the baby boomers by leaving them stuck in their jobs and starved its young population of opportunities. Actually Germany fared better by using the European market growth to fuel its economy. But they see it is ending as well.

This influx of refugees is an opportunity to try to catch up and avoid ending up like Japan.

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I thought this was interesting:

The fertility rate is high in European countries where family norms are flexible, women feel free to work, pro-child policies are generous and childcare is well organised – in short, in countries that have come to terms with gender equality. “The ability of society to adapt is crucial,” concludes Toulemon. “If family traditions cannot be adjusted to suit the new political reality of gender equality, it results in a de facto refusal to bear children.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...?client=safari

I would think men's willingness to participate actively in childcare and other household responsibilities would encourage women's willingness to procreate.

That plus my husband's financial commitment made me open to it, anyway.

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I wonder if the fact that this girl's father is a "top EU official", will mean that something might actually get done about the migrant/immigrant situation there.

Change comes from the top.
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