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post #46 of 58 (permalink) Old 12-15-2016, 09:38 PM
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Um uh, Billary lost.

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No.

F Trump.
F Elliot Spitzer
F Anthony Weiner

They are an embarassment to all men. Their behavior is not typical. Men who defend any of their behavior say more about themselves. Don't demean my grandfathers, my father, me, my son.

No.

I really don't care about Howard Stern. I don't subscribe to whatever the hell channel he's syndicated on currently. I wasn't allowed to listen to him growing as a teenager. Nobody has to listen to him, and in my opinion, nobody should.

Men who don't respect women have no business in government. The idea that their crassness is somehow normal is repulsive. We should think more of American women than to tolerate it. We should think more of ourselves than to acknowledge it as normal.
I am not defending those people, but just because it shouldn't be normal doesn't mean is isn't, I believe the word I used is normalized not normal. I am telling you Trump is just the end point of where our culture has been going for 30 years. You don't have to agree or even like it, but that is what I think. I also don't think the media who has been selling us this for 30 years has any moral place to criticize. I mean for God's sake Hillary had JZ do a concert for her. Want to go over some of his lyrics.

Big Pimpin' is just one example, I can't even link to others because the vulgarity checker on here changes the URL because the titles have curses in them.


See I will believe that Trumps crassness is really a problem for the media, Hillary, the women's moment, People on the left when JZ's star endorsement isn't more important then the career he made out of misogyny. When the people SO offended by Trump talk out of one side of their mouth and then invite someone who raps -


So just, take off your shirt, don't hit me with that church sh!t
(B!tch) I got a sister who schooled me to **** you chickens do
Tricking fools, got a whole Robin Givens crew that I kick it to
They be hipping dudes, how you chickens move, I be listening to
(B!tch) (B!tch) (B!tch)


to their election rally I have to believe that they really don't care about how men speak about women. I think it's more about the D next to the persons name then who he talks vulgarly about woman.

Finally I don't think Trump is a reflection on me as a man or any other man or woman, bare that cross if you want but I am not going to do it with you. I am only feel responsible for one person me.

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I am not defending those people, but just because it shouldn't be normal doesn't mean is isn't, I believe the word I used is normalized not normal. I am telling you Trump is just the end point of where our culture has been going for 30 years. You don't have to agree or even like it, but that is what I think. I also don't think the media who has been selling us this for 30 years has any moral place to criticize. I mean for God's sake Hillary had JZ do a concert for her. Want to go over some of his lyrics.

Big Pimpin'


See I will believe that Trumps crassness is really a problem for the media, Hillary, the women's moment, People on the left when JZ's star endorsement isn't more important then the career he made out of misogyny. When the people SO offended by trump talk out of one side of their mouth and then invite someone who raps.


So just, take off your shirt, don't hit me with that church sh!t
(B!tch) I got a sister who schooled me to **** you chickens do
Tricking fools, got a whole Robin Givens crew that I kick it to
They be hipping dudes, how you chickens move, I be listening to
(B!tch) (B!tch) (B!tch)


to there election rally I have to believe that they really don't care about how men speak about women. I think it's more about the D next to the persons name then who he talks about woman.

Finally I don't think Trump is a reflection on me as a man or any other man or woman, bare that cross if you want but I am not going to do it with you. I am only feel responsible for one person me.
The DNC is a disaster. Including Jay-Z was a different set of identity politics. Rather than trying to come up with a sustainable, logical, and objective governing philosophy, they're trying to encompass enough identity politics to get the votes of a majority of the country.

I don't care about the DNC. I care about entire demographics being demeaned by our highest elected official.

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The DNC is a disaster. Including Jay-Z was a different set of identity politics. Rather than trying to come up with a sustainable, logical, and objective governing philosophy, they're trying to encompass enough identity politics to get the votes of a majority of the country.

I don't care about the DNC. I care about entire demographics being demeaned by our highest elected official.
But this is not a new thing. I mean Ted Kennedy was the Lion of the Senate and basically left a girl to die so he didn't have to have his tryst exposed. The guy was celebrated and served for 47 years. Why is this now the end of civilization? As far as I know Trump didn't leave a woman to drown in the back of his car while he swam home and went to sleep.

Or can we talk about the man's Brother, still celebrated as a saint, pimping some woman in the white house.

Do you care that this man is seen as a great human being?

Honestly I don't think it is the end of civilization I think people just got used to our politicians being @ssholes and since some of the biggest @ssholes are celebrated as these great men, why should they care if Trump said something sh!tty that the public just supposes 99% of every other man in the public eye says behind closed doors.

Not to mention the woman who was running against him basically showed the whole country that it was OK to give a powerful man a pass for being a sleazeball. It's pretty rich that she expected everyone else to not follow her example.

50 years of hypocrisy has costs.

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But this is not a new thing. I mean Ted Kennedy was the Lion of the Senate and basically left a girl to die so he didn't have to have his tryst exposed. The guy was celebrated and served for 47 years. Why is this now the end of civilization? As far as I know Trump didn't leave a woman to drown in the back of his car why he swam home and went to sleep.

Or can we talk about the mans Brother, still celebrated as a saint, pimping some woman in the white house.

Do you care that this man is seen as a great human being?

Honestly I don't think it is the end of civilization I think people just got used to our politicians being @ssholes and since some of the biggest @ssholes are celebrated as these great men, why should they care if Trump said something sh!tty that the public just supposes 99% of every other man in the public eye says behind closed doors.

50 years of hypocrisy has costs.
I'm 33 years old. I wouldn't say I'm bothered about JFK. I feel very far removed from his actions, mainly I'm perplexed by how in love baby boomers are with the Kennedy clan. I don't think Ted Kennedy should have been elected over and over again with blood on his hands. Massachusetts is hopeless like that, if you're a Democratic incumbent you're untouchable.

I am tired of politicians being @ssholes. I thought about switching to Republican to vote against Trump, but decided to stay a Democrat and vote for Bernie in the primary. Not because I'm a socialist, but because Bernie isn't an @sshole. I didn't hold back on Hillary during the primary. For the general, I decided to vote for her because she is equally bad for everyone while Trump discriminates.

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I'm 33 years old. I wouldn't say I'm bothered about JFK. I feel very far removed from his actions, mainly I'm perplexed by how in love baby boomers are with the Kennedy clan. I don't think Ted Kennedy should have been elected over and over again with blood on his hands. Massachusetts is hopeless like that, if you're a Democratic incumbent you're untouchable.

I am tired of politicians being @ssholes. I thought about switching to Republican to vote against Trump, but decided to stay a Democrat and vote for Bernie in the primary. Not because I'm a socialist, but because Bernie isn't an @sshole. I didn't hold back on Hillary during the primary. For the general, I decided to vote for her because she is equally bad for everyone while Trump discriminates.
My point is not about Democrat or Republican it's about the fact that Trump is in no way different then any number of politicians this country has been celebrating for 50 years. Why do you expect the country to care about his smarminess when the same people who are telling us to care have been writing stories about how great the Kennedy's were for the last 50 years. Most people see that and say, well I know Trump said some awful stuff, but Bill Clinton did some similar stuff in the White House and he is was a good president. It doesn't mean that everyone agrees with Trumps boorishness they just see the hypocrisy and decide not to listen to the hypocrites. They think well if it wasn't a big deal for Kennedy then it's not a big deal for Trump. It's not a priority there are other things that are more important. The press and political parties are the ones who conditioned them to think this way. Yes there are a bunch of women that say Bill Clinton raped them for over 20 years but you know he did a lot of good things as president, says the press. Donald Trump said grab them in the pu55y, isn't he the devil incarnate how can you vote for this man!!, says the press.

I didn't vote for Trump by the way, mainly because of his overall reactionary temperament, I also didn't vote for Hillary because I didn't like that she was willing to trade our security so she could keep her secrets. Whether you want to pooh–pooh it or not, having the server so completely unsecured was dangerous to all of us, and the only reason she did it was because she wanted to continue to be sneaky.

I would have voted for Biden, Kasich, maybe even Bernie though some of what he advocates is nuts. There were any number of others I would have voted for.

May I ask why you think he discriminates?

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The difference between Bill and Don and their Bogus Adventures.

Don: "I wonder what it would be like to steal $10M? Pretty cool, maybe?"

Bill: "It was awesome!"

Don: "Wait! You actually stole $10M?"

Bill: "Sure! But I have a special licence to behave badly. Whereas you don't."


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The difference between Bill and Don and their Bogus Adventures.

Don: "I wonder what it would be like to steal $10M? Pretty cool, maybe?"

Bill: "It was awesome!"

Don: "Wait! You actually stole $10M?"

Bill: "Sure! But I have a special licence to behave badly. Whereas you don't."
This is so spot on. I think lots of Americans are just tired of it.
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May I ask why you think he discriminates?
In terms of actual discrimination, there were the equal housing opportunity violations from the 70s. In looser terms, I think that the way he speaks of specific demographics (women, Mexicans, Muslims,) is especially crappy for people in one or more of those groups,. Making fun of a reporter's disability is especially crappy for disabled people. Appointing Bannon as chief of staff is crappy for Jews.

I entirely understand the people who voted for him because they had a low opinion of Hillary. Their thinking isn't much different from mine, only the conclusion is different. I understand that given his opposition, his flaws just didn't matter. At this point there's nothing to be done except b---- about his misogynistic or racist remarks, lest they become legitimate.

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In terms of actual discrimination, there were the equal housing opportunity violations from the 70s. In looser terms, I think that the way he speaks of specific demographics (women, Mexicans, Muslims,) is especially crappy for people in one or more of those groups,. Making fun of a reporter's disability is especially crappy for disabled people. Appointing Bannon as chief of staff is crappy for Jews.

I entirely understand the people who voted for him because they had a low opinion of Hillary. Their thinking isn't much different from mine, only the conclusion is different. I understand that given his opposition, his flaws just didn't matter. At this point there's nothing to be done except b---- about his misogynistic or racist remarks, lest they become legitimate.
See I think people like you and i mean no offense, give way to much power to what people say. I also think the press prays on this indignation in you to sell papers or get clicks. To be offended in today's day and age is to be the worst possible of all injustices. The guy was on a campaign trail with a hostile press for almost 2 years. He is going to say some sh!tty things. Hillary basically called everyone who considered voting for him deplorable too. Do you hold her to as high a standard?

For instance Steve Bannon, look up Joel Pollak. If you don't know who he is this will at least give you a more balanced view of Bannon. My point is if you don't try to look at some of the context of what some of the things he was talking about but just listen to the most outraged perspectives you are going to think he is the devil incarnate. Trumps stance on Muslims for instances is not very much different than Bill Maher's.


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See I think people like you and i mean no offense, give way to much power to what people say. I also think the press prays on this indignation in you to sell papers or get clicks. To be offended in today's day and age is to be the worst possible of all injustices. The guy was on a campaign trail with a hostile press for almost 2 years. He is going to say some sh!tty things. Hillary basically called everyone who considered voting for him deplorable too. Do you hold her to as high a standard?

For instance Steve Bannon, look up Joel Pollak. If you don't know who he is this will at least give you a more balanced view of Bannon. My point is if you don't try to look at some of the context of what some of the things he was talking about but just listen to the most outraged perspectives you are going to think he is the devil incarnate. Trumps stance on Muslims for instances is not very much different than Bill Maher's.
Ah, yes, the basket of deplorables. Hillary's campaign died of a self-inflicted GSW to the foot. Once she said that I figured she would still win, but not get any cooperation from Congress. If you're going to ask people to set aside their individual interests for the greater good, as Democrats are asking constantly, it doesn't help to insult them. It was bothersome to me, even deplorable, that she would attack voters because she doesn't like the way they vote.

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It all becomes clear, now! It was Bill Clinton's fault! Bill Clinton?s Tarmac Visit With Loretta Lynch Looms Larger

Yeah. Of course it was.


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It all becomes clear, now! It was Bill Clinton's fault! Bill Clinton?s Tarmac Visit With Loretta Lynch Looms Larger

Yeah. Of course it was.
It sucks because I do care about some of the things the Democrats claim to care about. It's ugly to tolerate lowlifes like Slick Willy because they say the right things, and it's caught up with them. Maybe Gary Johnson will have a fighting chance in four years.

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