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post #31 of 66 (permalink) Old 12-13-2016, 11:06 AM Thread Starter
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And why not? A slur is still a slur, I don't care what's your background. "Racist" seems to be used whenever certain groups want to hide from any kind of criticism.

At what point will the country move out of the 60's and into the modern age?
When we overcome the problems that still seem to be there?


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She has not exactly been humble in the inflammatory rhetoric department, although she has been better than her other half. When rhetoric is used, bridges are burnt, not built.

That is not to say that this person in Clay County necessarily felt that way. She may just be a plain-and-simple hater.

However, my opinion of Michelle Obama has been shaped by her rhetoric. I am far from racist, and I do not particularly care for her.

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But what would Michelle need to have done differently, far? How would she need to be humble?

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She has not exactly been humble in the inflammatory rhetoric department, although she has been better than her other half. When rhetoric is used, bridges are burnt, not built.

That is not to say that this person in Clay County necessarily felt that way. She may just be a plain-and-simple hater.

However, my opinion of Michelle Obama has been shaped by her rhetoric. I am far from racist, and I do not particularly care for her.
Ah, okay. We may just see this differently. I think the Obamas are very decent people.

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Ah, okay. We may just see this differently. I think the Obamas are very decent people.
except when they are not. For example: BO - "If you;ve got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen". Talk about a steaming pile of inflammatory stuff aimed at small biz owners.

I could go on, but time and space are limited.
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except when they are not. For example: BO - "If you;ve got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen". Talk about a steaming pile of inflammatory stuff aimed at small biz owners.

I could go on, but time and space are limited.
I think it was more that the business was not built by one person's sole efforts. Society contributes, also.

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I think it was more that the business was not built by one person's sole efforts. Society contributes, also.
nah, the world doesn't really work like that.

The BO quote, though not as bad as the OP quote, is definitely inflammatory.
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nah, the world doesn't really work like that.

The BO quote, though not as bad as the OP quote, is definitely inflammatory.
Dave. Come on.

Society provides roads, communication systems, inspected materials, educated workers and many other things that make businesses successful.

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First off, I'm totally and absolutely all in for freedom of speech!

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Dave. Come on.

Society provides roads, communication systems, inspected materials, educated workers and many other things that make businesses successful.
you are missing the point. All that stuff exists whether or not the person builds a business or not. That makes it irrelevant. Everyone had the same access to that stuff, but only the one guy built the business. He was the one that made it happen. BO's comment basically is inciting class warfare, and you know it. Sure society nominally helps, but that help is available to most/all. Only a few build a business.
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except when they are not. For example: BO - "If you;ve got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen". Talk about a steaming pile of inflammatory stuff aimed at small biz owners.

I could go on, but time and space are limited.
you mean this?

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If youíve got a business ó you didnít build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didnít get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

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Ah, okay. We may just see this differently. I think the Obamas are very decent people.
I don't think they're bad people per se, I just think they're both politicians rather than statesmen (or women).

I believe that people who use rhetoric earn rhetoric. In other words, when one erects a 150 foot metal pole, in April, in the middle of Tornado Alley, there should be no shock or outrage when they are struck by lightning.

They have both consistently used language of divisiveness rather than collaboration.

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you mean this?

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If youíve got a business ó you didnít build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didnít get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
that is not what BO said. He specifically said that business owners didn't build their businesses, which is utter nonsense. Even unsuccessful people had some of that, but are still not successful. I am sick of shaming success in society.

Did society help, sure. But that help is much less than doing the actual work to build a business.
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that is not what BO said.
um, yes. yes it is.


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you are missing the point. All that stuff exists whether or not the person builds a business or not. That makes it irrelevant.
Irrelevant? How long would the business last without those things?

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Everyone had the same access to that stuff, but only the one guy built the business. He was the one that made it happen.
He was definitely a big part of it. But not the only part.

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BO's comment basically is inciting class warfare, and you know it.
No, I don't "know" it.

Interesting that you see class warfare in there, though. I never would have come up with that.

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Sure society nominally helps, but that help is available to most/all. Only a few build a business.
And we could look at the ways to encourage more people to start businesses. Like Medicare for all.

I think we are getting a bit off topic, though . . .

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sorry, don't click on fact check, more liberal than MSNBC.

Words mean something, he knows exactly what he said and why he said it. It was a thinly veiled attempt to shame business owners. That you can't see it. if I had more time, I would put out another 50 BO quotes of similar drivel. He is the divider in chief of recent presidents, even though he ran on open and inclusive.
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