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If Chicago doesn't fix the horrible "carnage" going on, 228 shootings in 2017 with 42 killings (up 24% from 2016), I will send in the Feds!

Martial law baby!
well, the war on poverty and gun control didn't fix it, if anything it made it worse.....
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If Chicago doesn't fix the horrible "carnage" going on, 228 shootings in 2017 with 42 killings (up 24% from 2016), I will send in the Feds!

Martial law baby!
Which part bothers you most?

Martial law (exclusive of actual soldiers on the streets) has been creeping into parts of Chicago for some time now. Curfews are in effect every day of the week, policing and enforcement are questionable among certain groups, their 2nd amendment rights have been selectively stripped from them and more.

Is it the killing that bothers you most? Read some stats on homicide in Chicago. www.heyjacka$$.com (replace the $ with s) It's sickening to read that almost 800 people in that city died from gun violence in 2016. An overwhelming majority of them were black males. Roughly every 2 minutes someone is shot and every 12 hours murdered. And just to point it out, while we were debating since the tweet posted, 3 more people have been murdered.

I suppose we could forgive our former president for not noticing or shining any light on this particular problem. You know, since he's not black or from Chicago. I'm going to take the tweet as somebody is noticing, willing to put it out there and at least appear to give a crap about minorities and in particular, black men.

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What authority do the feds have to enforce local law?
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What authority do the feds have to enforce local law?
To answer your question directly, plenty. In areas where federal law supersedes local law, ie. Federal law has pre-empted state law. The FBI has the authority to investigate when there are violations of civil rights (federal) or allegations of such. The department of justice then has authority prosecute/sanction when agencies are found to be abusing power.

Many people also used this argument to push back against gay marriage. As local (read state) laws varied on the subject and were enacted directly by the will (vote) of the people the federal government chose a different course for the nation. Many (you?) also believe that the federal government should enact more gun laws to restrict them on a federal level.

Now help me understand your question. Were you asking it because you did not know? Are you assuming that Trump meant that he would bring in the national guard or could it be some form of federal oversight? Also, I'd like to hear from you directly as to my question about which bothers you most. I can assume that martial law is preeminent because thats where your question is directed but correct me if I'm wrong.

I'll state my concern more clearly and toss it out to you and the thread for response. There is a very real and measurable death count to people living in the city of Chicago. For comparison sake:

US coalition deaths in Iraq 2003-2011 - Hostile fire deaths = 3,777 (A rate of about 470/year)
Gun related deaths in Chicago the last 4 years = 2,200 (A rate of about 550/year)

Comparing a 'gun controlled' city to an actual war zone and the death rate is higher here in the US is appalling. You can choose to focus on Trump or what you see as the bigger threat. Ignoring the real numbers and reality of the city may point to what a person holds more dearly.

Do the numbers make you pause and think a bit?
Does Trumps tweet say "martial law" or might he be trying to gain focus on the real problem?
Which do you (anyone...) the most? Extrapolated fear of martial law or Chicago having the death rate of a war zone?

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To answer your question directly, plenty. In areas where federal law supersedes local law, ie. Federal law has pre-empted state law. The FBI has the authority to investigate when there are violations of civil rights (federal) or allegations of such. The department of justice then has authority prosecute/sanction when agencies are found to be abusing power.

Many people also used this argument to push back against gay marriage. As local (read state) laws varied on the subject and were enacted directly by the will (vote) of the people the federal government chose a different course for the nation. Many (you?) also believe that the federal government should enact more gun laws to restrict them on a federal level.

Now help me understand your question. Were you asking it because you did not know? Are you assuming that Trump meant that he would bring in the national guard or could it be some form of federal oversight? Also, I'd like to hear from you directly as to my question about which bothers you most. I can assume that martial law is preeminent because thats where your question is directed but correct me if I'm wrong.

I'll state my concern more clearly and toss it out to you and the thread for response. There is a very real and measurable death count to people living in the city of Chicago. For comparison sake:

US coalition deaths in Iraq 2003-2011 - Hostile fire deaths = 3,777 (A rate of about 470/year)
Gun related deaths in Chicago the last 4 years = 2,200 (A rate of about 550/year)

Comparing a 'gun controlled' city to an actual war zone and the death rate is higher here in the US is appalling. You can choose to focus on Trump or what you see as the bigger threat. Ignoring the real numbers and reality of the city may point to what a person holds more dearly.

Do the numbers make you pause and think a bit?
Does Trumps tweet say "martial law" or might he be trying to gain focus on the real problem?
Which do you (anyone...) the most? Extrapolated fear of martial law or Chicago having the death rate of a war zone?

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Of course victim disarmament laws are greatly to blame for the carnage in Chicongo. I think Trump should announce that all such laws are hereby annulled as being in violation of Amendment II, US Constitution.

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Chicago is my home away from home... Anyone who thinks that the feds will solve the city's problems or that guns are the solution really needs to spend some time there.

As for the death rate, you just demonstrated the need for better math standards.
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Chicago is my home away from home... Anyone who thinks that the feds will solve the city's problems or that guns are the solution really needs to spend some time there.

As for the death rate, you just demonstrated the need for better math standards.
I was born in Chicago and still have a lot of family there. Wouldn't call it my home nor do I have to for the problem to be plainly evident. Not sure that you could possibly read that I said, "guns are the solution" or that I affirmed THE FEDS will solve it all.

My question was, "which are you more concerned about in Trumps tweet? The specter of an imagined martial law or the really high number of homicides?

Thank you for demonstrating a rather arrogant non-answer.

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Arrogance is falsely perceived, I fear.

Trump could mobilize the FBI to do what? Go after every hoodlum and file what charges? Is that a good use of FBI's time? I'm not so sure.

Maybe they could mobilize state national guard. LOLZ galore. Peacekeeping operations in Lower Wacker Drive? refugee centers in Lincoln Park? Ain't happening either unless there is large scale chaos, which ain't happening.

Then, maybe an order could come to arm the citizenry against, ummm, each other? Aleppo by Millennium Park? MSI zombie apocalypse? What could possibly go wrong?

So, federal intervention would be a bad idea in any case. Then, why the tweet? To show action? Earn bonus points with the faithful?

In the 30 plus years I've called Chicago my second home I do not recall anyone actually looking into why there is violence and then doing something about the true root causes. We had Cabrini Green. Then didn't. The right communities prospered. Others didn't.

The Democrat bozos running the city were too busy with reelection so basic tenets went missing. Youngsters found themselves detached from reality. No wonder. Conservatives at the state level... Pfeh.

Chicago should be ground zero for urban issues remediation. Instead we're busy invading countries and trying to out-crap each other. Not a resounding success story.

So, here you have it. I'm not afraid of the tweets. I'm afraid of the attitudes. At the end of the day I still have my mega money and will retire in Europe. But we should be better than that.

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Arrogance is falsely perceived, I fear.

Trump could mobilize the FBI to do what? Go after every hoodlum and file what charges? Is that a good use of FBI's time? I'm not so sure.

Maybe they could mobilize state national guard. LOLZ galore. Peacekeeping operations in Lower Wacker Drive? refugee centers in Lincoln Park? Ain't happening either unless there is large scale chaos, which ain't happening.

Then, maybe an order could come to arm the citizenry against, ummm, each other? Aleppo by Millennium Park? MSI zombie apocalypse? What could possibly go wrong?

So, federal intervention would be a bad idea in any case. Then, why the tweet? To show action? Earn bonus points with the faithful?

In the 30 plus years I've called Chicago my second home I do not recall anyone actually looking into why there is violence and then doing something about the true root causes. We had Cabrini Green. Then didn't. The right communities prospered. Others didn't.

The Democrat bozos running the city were too busy with reelection so basic tenets went missing. Youngsters found themselves detached from reality. No wonder. Conservatives at the state level... Pfeh.

Chicago should be ground zero for urban issues remediation. Instead we're busy invading countries and trying to out-crap each other. Not a resounding success story.

So, here you have it. I'm not afraid of the tweets. I'm afraid of the attitudes. At the end of the day I still have my mega money and will retire in Europe. But we should be better than that.
Yes, you should be better than that. Too bad you aren't.

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Yes, you should be better than that. Too bad you aren't.
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Yes, you should be better than that. Too bad you aren't.
What should I do? I pay my taxes, spend a couple weeks a year in Chicago, and don't rail against my hard earned tax money going to use there. Maybe I should mount a machine gun on the roof of the Mini and patrol Hyde Park?
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What should I do? I pay my taxes, spend a couple weeks a year in Chicago, and don't rail against my hard earned tax money going to use there. Maybe I should mount a machine gun on the roof of the Mini and patrol Hyde Park?
You could stop assuming that you know better than everyone else how this country should be run.
Although that citizen's patrol sounds pretty good too!

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You could stop assuming that you know better than everyone else how this country should be run.
Although that citizen's patrol sounds pretty good too!
I don't claim to know what works.

I claim to know how we got there, what works in some other parts of the world, and what doesn't work here or there.

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