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post #31 of 50 (permalink) Old 01-20-2017, 05:31 PM
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I do have a reasonable background in economics. Agreed, the pie is most certainly not fixed, however arithmetic is. If you decrease a tax rate without increasing others, you collect less taxes unless the economy grows enough to fill the gap. That isn't impossible but I'd like to see a CBO study showing that prediction.

Underemployment is a problem, I agree there. But is the underemployment in the same geographic and skills that will be increased by cutting corproate taxes (with some revenue balancing other effect). Its well known that cutting taxes grows the economy - but also grows the debt.

The scientists studying climate change are near unanimous. Its true that even scientists who are not subject matter experts can't read the basic papers, but we can at least look at a wide variety of summary articles. The international group of scientists convened to investigate this have come to a clear conclusion. What group of scientists do you trust more and why?

You are actually the first working scientist I've encountered that doesn't think human CO2 has a significant effect on the climate. I'm usually the most skeptical of the ones that I know. Are you in the physical sciences?

China is adding solar a a faster rate than any other country and has the highest amount of wind power of any country. They have also installed the largest high speed rail network. That to me indicates that they are taking this seriously. They started far behind but are catching up.



As far as participating - I'm happy to watch and see what happens to the economy. I'm fully employeed (have always been) so I am participating in the economic sense.

I am very concerned about his foreign policy. He supports Israeli expansion, but supports Russia and Syria - who are close allies of Iran, which is a mortal enemy of Israel. He has opened the 1 china / 2 china issues for no reason that I can imagine - why break a system that has kept the peace for decades and isn't hurting anyone. He seems to regard our traditional enemy Russia as on a par with our traditional and NATO ally Germany. He has also made comments about NATO being obsolete - again talking about something that has kept the peace for decades. He talks about bombing Isis - we ARE bombing ISIS - have been for years now - the continuing problem is that when we bomb ISIS we can't avoid killing civilians which drives more people to support ISIS - not a net win. Its a bad policy under Obama, and Trump wants to expand it. I get the impression that he really isn't thinking long term in any of this.








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I'm not going to teach you economics over TAM posts. You think the pie is fixed. Cutting corporate tax rate expands the pie. It is not zero sum.

The announced unemployment rate is a fallacy both parties use. It does not reflect underemployment or those that gave up looking. The labor participation rate is a better metric.

If you are not studying climate change, your opinion is immaterial unless you analyze the data. Listening to interpretation by others is not science.

If you think China is "working on this" you have low expectations. I am very familiar with China manufacturing. It's my job that pays my TAM bill. :-)

I am a professional scientist and economist too. We differ on this. That's ok.

Rather than *****, participate in the process. The guy hasn't even been president for 12 hours.

Now let's see if the weak Republican congressional leadership steps up.


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Just got back from Australia and South America. I've travelled a lot globally. UK, France, Germany, Italy. So the Europeans are laughing?? WTF. Who the heck cares?
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That is the answer I would expect from six year old.
Or a Trump supporter.
Well there are two of us now. Yep, I'm a Trump supporter. I wouldnn't worry too much about the Europeans. When they need something, they'll be back around with their hat in their hand, kissing azz and whispering sweet nothings. What's scary from my perspective however is the impact of John Lewis and the democrats boycotting the inauguration. They did boycott it, didn't they?

If you don't embody controversy, what you say will become just another part of the media driven culture of stifling thought and debate about issues.

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That is the answer I would expect from six year old.

Or a Trump supporter.


My feeling transcend Trump. Our national self esteem should not be based on what other countries think of us.

Do you care what J's mom or sister thinks of you? Or that guy with that girl you met in the hotel lobby? Or, did you care about any of the March madness girls? You represent the typical American attitude more than I do, IMO.

Millions of us are sick of Obama apologizing because we are Americans. The French didn't seem to care when thousands of us died on another type of Dday.

You've been to Italy. Look at their leaders.

And I expected more from you than personal insults. I disagree with your tattoo position. I don't call you a 6 yo over it. Oh well.
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My feeling transcend Trump. Our national self esteem should not be based on what other countries think of us.

Do you care what J's mom or sister thinks of you? Or that guy with that girl you met in the hotel lobby? Or, did you care about any of the March madness girls? You represent the typical American attitude more than I do, IMO.

Millions of us are sick of Obama apologizing because we are Americans. The French didn't seem to care when thousands of us died on another type of Dday.

You've been to Italy. Look at their leaders.

And I expected more from you than personal insults. I disagree with your tattoo position. I don't call you a 6 yo over it. Oh well.
You are right,I apologise.I never normally argue about politics.
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Ain't no need to argue about it Andy. Trump will either do what he said that got him elected or he won't. It'll be interesting to see the next six months and how folks respond to his performance.

If you don't embody controversy, what you say will become just another part of the media driven culture of stifling thought and debate about issues.
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We live in a world connected by global trade, threatened by global environmental issues and global terrorism. Many of us regularly travel to and work with people from all over the world. How people think determines how they act as individuals and as groups and nations.

We did great things in WWII, but that was long long ago. My father got to take credit for that, but he is years dead now. I can take no credit for what he did long before I was born. The French remembered for two generations, but they are dead as well.

We are now judged by what we do this generation, and that's fair. I don't accept blame for things that happened before I was born, but I also accept no credit. Remember the american genocide was only twice as long ago as WWII.

While we are the largest player, we no longer dominate the global economy - that makes sense, we are a small fraction of the world's population. Countries can live without us and if the develop sufficiently negative opinions, they will do so.

In the last 40 years that I've been aware of the world I've seen great improvements. Children no longer believe nuclear annihilation is nearly inevitable the way they did when I was growing up. People no longer are starving in China. While some technologies like space have lagged, others have advanced dramatically.

Yes, there are problems: the middle east is a horror. Some parts of Africa are a horror. Most places though are better off, and on average improving.

Most of the US is better. We are wealthier, have better rights, better living conditions. Women and minorities are no longer treated as second class citizens. Crime rates are dropping.

We do have problems, in particular disparity is growing, so the poorest through middle class are doing worse relative to the wealthy. We've lost the ability to efficiently do large projects. Some of our civil rights are being eroded and we face near universal surveillance.

There are things to fix, but I see no reason to make a huge deviation from a path that has brought an unusual period of peace and prosperity to us and the world. (yes peace - the wars were are constantly fighting are bad, but nothing like the global conflicts the proceeded them - but still, I'd like out of the middle east).







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My feeling transcend Trump. Our national self esteem should not be based on what other countries think of us.

Do you care what J's mom or sister thinks of you? Or that guy with that girl you met in the hotel lobby? Or, did you care about any of the March madness girls? You represent the typical American attitude more than I do, IMO.

Millions of us are sick of Obama apologizing because we are Americans. The French didn't seem to care when thousands of us died on another type of Dday.

You've been to Italy. Look at their leaders.

And I expected more from you than personal insults. I disagree with your tattoo position. I don't call you a 6 yo over it. Oh well.
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For starters

Lower the corporate tax rate. If you think that is detrimental to American workers you are wrong.

Eliminate the onerous environment regulation that Obama did to please his base. If you think that will lead to more pollution you are wrong.

Both will have massive impact on job creation. I can go on forever.

Before you laugh, I am one of the corporate "they" that finds global locations to build manufacturing plants.

Go to his website for the specifics.
Lol at all the I know what I am talking about and you'd be wrong if you disagree points. I love when the trumpeters talk in definitives, like, I know it *****, I'm smarter than alls yous.
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My feeling transcend Trump. Our national self esteem should not be based on what other countries think of us.

Do you care what J's mom or sister thinks of you? Or that guy with that girl you met in the hotel lobby? Or, did you care about any of the March madness girls? You represent the typical American attitude more than I do, IMO.

Millions of us are sick of Obama apologizing because we are Americans. The French didn't seem to care when thousands of us died on another type of Dday.

You've been to Italy. Look at their leaders.

And I expected more from you than personal insults. I disagree with your tattoo position. I don't call you a 6 yo over it. Oh well.
I apologised for the six year old comment,that was uncalled for.
You seem to believe everything Trump has said in his campaign speeches and you seem to think we as Americans can just ignore the rest of the world and carry on regardless.It doesn't work like that.
You say you are involved in picking out locations for manufacturing businesses,anyone you are dealing with is going to bend over backwards to accommodate you.They want the jobs and the money that such a factory will attract.I'm not sure how a manufacturing plant in South America or Australia will help American workers though.I don't want to argue politics with you or anyone else but I am in London right now and the only positive comments by British politicians about Trump are coming from the far right and the anti emigration lobby,most other politicians are saying nothing because they fear offending him.The Germans think he is a joke,as do the French.
Fcuk It I'm sorry I even commented on this thread,it's not like any of us can do anything to affect Govt policy.
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I can't wait until Trump builds that wall ...
Good luck with that wall!

Kind of makes me wonder if the wall would be constructed to keep some select group of people out while keeping the rest of us in!

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Lol at all the I know what I am talking about and you'd be wrong if you disagree points. I love when the trumpeters talk in definitives, like, I know it *****, I'm smarter than alls yous.


Not smarter than you. I am just very knowledgeable professionally on a few limited topics.

If i had the same knowledge about relationships I wouldn't need to be on TAM.

I like your posts H. Still hoping you and W can R.

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I hope it gets built. I own stock in Wall-mart.
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Not smarter than you. I am just very knowledgeable professionally on a few limited topics.

If i had the same knowledge about relationships I wouldn't need to be on TAM.

I like your posts H. Still hoping you and W can R.
There you go, feeding into my bleeding heartedness by being nice. Sorry for the snark...wasn't too happy about yesterday despite the thread title gloat.

You want me and the W to R? I don't really even talk to her, and the feeling of abandonment for me and my family...yeah, ain't never going to happen even if she came on full tilt...which she'd never do.
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If you don't embody controversy, what you say will become just another part of the media driven culture of stifling thought and debate about issues.
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I saw another like this, but it was with Melania and Donald.
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I'm not going to teach you economics over TAM posts. You think the pie is fixed. Cutting corporate tax rate expands the pie. It is not zero sum.

The announced unemployment rate is a fallacy both parties use. It does not reflect underemployment or those that gave up looking. The labor participation rate is a better metric.

If you are not studying climate change, your opinion is immaterial unless you analyze the data. Listening to interpretation by others is not science.

If you think China is "working on this" you have low expectations. I am very familiar with China manufacturing. It's my job that pays my TAM bill. :-)

I am a professional scientist and economist too. We differ on this. That's ok.

Rather than *****, participate in the process. The guy hasn't even been president for 12 hours.

Now let's see if the weak Republican congressional leadership steps up.
If it's not a zero sum, why do people hoard resources and wealth?

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