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post #46 of 75 (permalink) Old 01-23-2017, 11:03 AM
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There is no evidence they are real.

If they were real, what makes you think Trump would care? He's the kind of guy who would probably post the video to his Twitter with some ridiculous #pissonObama hashtag or something.

Have you read the actual memos? They read like a fanfiction. And believe me, there is fanfiction like this out there. Don't make me link to it. I don't want to ever go back to such bad places. I can't un-see it.
I read all 35 pages. Seems reasonable to me.

Also, the way that spy disappeared immediately upon release of the report confirms to me that what is in there is largely true.

Poor guy. Cannot imagine he is not being hunted now, and will be killed.

Trump is super scared of the truth getting out. He is scared of anything that shows him for what he is: an insecure blowhard.

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Im going with Cheney. That guy is the devil.

Alas a Nebraskan. So as a Nebraskan I would like to apologize to the world for D!ck Cheney (L.Ron Hubbard too while Im at it.)
I think Hubbard was actually from Montana...

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Does Trump have a sex tape out there? Is there ANY evidence of foreign influence over Trump?

The last part is a non-sequitur and has nothing to do with the conversation. However, out of entertainment, I'll just say this: He's playing you like a fiddle. Most of his decisions seem pretty carefully thought out. It's his Twitter feed that is getting people upset, and he is exploiting the Trump Derangement Syndrome that is exhibited by his enemies, to take eyes off of his actions.
Actually the official name is "Trump Achievement Rejection Disorder", or TARD.

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Actually the official name is "Trump Achievement Rejection Disorder", or TARD.
I haven't seen that one. TDS is the most common term at the libertarian rag, Reason, where the progressive editors / journalists are freaking out as we speak. The commentariat over there is hilarious.
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There is no evidence they are real.

If they were real, what makes you think Trump would care? He's the kind of guy who would probably post the video to his Twitter with some ridiculous #pissonObama hashtag or something.

Have you read the actual memos? They read like a fanfiction. And believe me, there is fanfiction like this out there. Don't make me link to it. I don't want to ever go back to such bad places. I can't un-see it.
There were assertions it in fact started as fanfiction! When the story first broke that there was "something" out there I did some internet searching and found claims of where it originated and the path it followed. Idk if that has turned out to be verified, but honestly it would not surprise me. The story reads like something a troll or The Onion would make up as being so bizarre yet some would believe it.
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I think Hubbard was actually from Montana...
May have not spent much time here thank God, but born in Tilden NE. A town in the middle of nowhere.

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I actually know nothing about Obama being Kenyan. I think he hates my country. And I think his words back that up. I think he's a horrible human being. And his actions support it.
Clearly the most important word here is "think". I despise Trump with every fiber of my being, yet, I don't claim to think he hates "my" country. It's foolish and while it certainly drives you, it should be beneath you. Stating he is a horrible human being seems to just cry being provocative. It's technovelist worthy...

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You have pushed this Russian connection in other threads. And you keep insisting that he must be a puppet--knowingly, or unknowingly. But you have zero evidence.
I think there is a lot of evidence pointed towards the Russians wanting Trump in there. That covers the unknowingly part. I don't know what Trump's motivations are regarding his constant defense of the Russian while attacking our intelligence. You obviously subscribe to the notion that our intelligence is worse than having, none at all? You put more faith in what the Russians say than our own Americans? I think that is ridiculously absurd (of Trump and his defenders). I guess Comey is good, cause I give him a bro-hug for trying to help me win, and I think that intelligence is good based on how effective it is for me individually.

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And then when your own, self-described "hack" news agencies publish evidence of Soviet state influence in YOUR chosen politician's campaign, you just say "well, if it's true, it's bad..." as an attempt to pretend that it is even in question, as though the evidence weren't right in front of you, and go right back to your daily TDS. (Trump Derangement Syndrome)

No, I wasn't fair. I used hyperbole to help get the truth in front of you. Because it is an effective literary tool, in a written medium.
"My own" what? That article seems to want to draw a correlation and doesn't point out anything specific that I see stating she had anything to do with it. Of course, not that it matters to you...the one with TDS.
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There were assertions it in fact started as fanfiction! When the story first broke that there was "something" out there I did some internet searching and found claims of where it originated and the path it followed. Idk if that has turned out to be verified, but honestly it would not surprise me. The story reads like something a troll or The Onion would make up as being so bizarre yet some would believe it.
Some folks on 4chan claimed that the golden shower part was created by them, and fed to some politicians. They have named names. They haven't published the emails / correspondences, so it's questionable that they are the real creators, but it definitely reads like something someone wrote as a joke.

"Trump hates B.O. so much he <insert ridiculous claim>" which ended up as "flew to Russia, asked for the exact suite Michelle O. slept, then hired a bunch of prostitutes to come upstairs and pee on the bed she slept in, just to defile it!"

Nevermind that Trump is a known germophobe, who freaks out about farts and needs everything around him meticulously clean, like an obsessive compulsive...
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Clearly the most important word here is "think". I despise Trump with every fiber of my being, yet, I don't claim to think he hates "my" country. It's foolish and while it certainly drives you, it should be beneath you. Stating he is a horrible human being seems to just cry being provocative. It's technovelist worthy...
I think he is a bad person. It is obvious he does not love our country and holds it with contempt. This isn't obvious with Trump, in fact it is the opposite. Because of this, trying to draw some analogy between our differing views of O. and Trump are really not going to line up.

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I think there is a lot of evidence pointed towards the Russians wanting Trump in there. That covers the unknowingly part. I don't know what Trump's motivations are regarding his constant defense of the Russian while attacking our intelligence. You obviously subscribe to the notion that our intelligence is worse than having, none at all? You put more faith in what the Russians say than our own Americans? I think that is ridiculously absurd (of Trump and his defenders). I guess Comey is good, cause I give him a bro-hug for trying to help me win, and I think that intelligence is good based on how effective it is for me individually.
There is indeed evidence that the Russians would have preferred Trump. That's a long shot from the Russians installing him as a puppet and actively undermining the political process.

My thoughts on our intelligence are upthread. I think it is bad to trust any one group utterly. I didn't say "get rid of the CIA" or "we shouldn't have intelligence services".

I do think that you should look at what the Russians have been saying and doing for the last decade. They are quite open about their intentions, and then they follow through on them. They were clear that inviting Ukraine and Georgia to NATO was going to have consequences for those countries, and then they followed through. They were clear that we are violating our anti-missile treaty, and that as a result they would not be abiding by the agreement either. They have been clear that Assad is their guy, and they have followed through.

Should they be trusted? No. Should you take their oaths seriously? Yes.

Personally, I'd like to see more cooperation with Russia on issues that are in our mutual interests. Syria is one of them. China is another. We should oppose them when they are threatening our interests, not just because "It's the evil Russians!"


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"My own" what? That article seems to want to draw a correlation and doesn't point out anything specific that I see stating she had anything to do with it. Of course, not that it matters to you...the one with TDS.
There were some actual citations when I read that last week. It appears they are now gone--maybe some of them turned up bad. I will try to dig them up later.
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I read something on Trump recently. The author said that he thinks Trump just wants America to be the way it was when he was growing up in the 50s and 60s.

That made sense to me. Fits him.

But America is not going back. Bells that have been rung cannot be unrung. Women are not going to give up their rights willingly. Blacks are not, either. Gays, either.

I know adjustment is hard. But we really do not have any other choice. We need to accept reality, and try to cope with it in a way that most benefits everyone.


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In the future, when psychometrics are better defined, when we have solid, language based tools for profiling folk, the President is going to be a case study.

Someone is going to take all his public appearances and map his language into a pie chart showing how much time he spends on the following types of buckets:
1. Policy, ideas and goals
2. The impact of those goals on other people - his fellow citizens
3. Himself

And then - a breakdown of (3) into types of self depiction.

If you want to see contrasting metrics - apply these buckets to the Pres and compare with Rex Tillerson - a mature, secure, intelligent man.


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I read something on Trump recently. The author said that he thinks Trump just wants America to be the way it was when he was growing up in the 50s and 60s.

That made sense to me. Fits him.

But America is not going back. Bells that have been rung cannot be unrung. Women are not going to give up their rights willingly. Blacks are not, either. Gays, either.

I know adjustment is hard. But we really do not have any other choice. We need to accept reality, and try to cope with it in a way that most benefits everyone.
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In the future, when psychometrics are better defined, when we have solid, language based tools for profiling folk, the President is going to be a case study.

Someone is going to take all his public appearances and map his language into a pie chart showing how much time he spends on the following types of buckets:
1. Policy, ideas and goals
2. The impact of those goals on other people - his fellow citizens
3. Himself

And then - a breakdown of (3) into types of self depiction.

If you want to see contrasting metrics - apply these buckets to the Pres and compare with Rex Tillerson - a mature, secure, intelligent man.
I don't know anything about Rex Tillerson, MEM. But I have reservations about putting an oilman into the Sec of State position.

Climate change is one of the most worrisome issues of our time. How can I trust that a man who made millions off oil is going to lead on that?

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He's not going to help with climate change. I wish it were otherwise but it is not.

My goals for the new administration are fairly modest:
1. Don't get into a nuclear confrontation
2. Don't shut down the EPA
3 Don't encourage the lowercase kkk




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I don't know anything about Rex Tillerson, MEM. But I have reservations about putting an oilman into the Sec of State position.

Climate change is one of the most worrisome issues of our time. How can I trust that a man who made millions off oil is going to lead on that?
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JLD,
He's not going to help with climate change. I wish it were otherwise but it is not.

My goals for the new administration are fairly modest:
1. Don't get into a nuclear confrontation
2. Don't shut down the EPA
3 Don't encourage the lowercase kkk
That is a pretty realistic wish list, MEM. At least I hope so!

I think with the Dems we get some actual leadership, at least some of the time. With the Repubs, we just have to hope they don't do too much damage.

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I don't think CIA agents are cowards, either. I think they are much braver (and more intelligent) than Trump could ever be.

That guy is totally out of his league.

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