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post #136 of 300 (permalink) Old 01-23-2017, 04:51 PM
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Fvck trump YOU should be our prez. Your family sounds lovely with a great patriarch at the helm.
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Are you serious? The woman is fluent in 4 or 5 languages, is a successful entrepreneur, highly educated, and involved in a lot of charitable giving. On WHAT do you base your doubts?

Personally, I question the class of any woman who poses nude, but I'd be surprised if that bothered you. I have never seen or heard her behave in any way that lacks class since she came onto my radar through this election.
I can't find any evidence of an education. Can you help me? For men and women both, there is nothing more important than kindness and compassion. I have seen nothing from her that brings either of those things into doubt. I actually also have no problem with posing nude. I am mildly annoyed at the distraction that her past has caused regarding the issues at hand. There is no reason to suspect that Mrs. Trump is either saint nor villain. She is our FLOTUS. A place I would not wish to be. May our wishes be with her.
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The free Melania sentiment is .... misguided. At best, it is mean spirited. But I agree with you. Michelle Obama is gracious, lovely, intelligent and kind. I know nothing about Melania, so I cannot say the same for her. But I have no reason to suspect otherwise. She certainly is lovely.
What do you think was mean-spirited about it? I think it was just supposed to be funny.

No one thinks she is actually being held captive. She surely loves him.

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What do you think was mean-spirited about it? I think it was just supposed to be funny.

No one thinks she is actually being held captive. She surely loves him.
I think that it is mean spirited to make fun of the people who are ancillary to the person in public office. I am having fun smacking down people making fun of Barron Trump on line. Poor kid.
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I can't find any evidence of an education. Can you help me? For men and women both, there is nothing more important than kindness and compassion. I have seen nothing from her that brings either of those things into doubt. I actually also have no problem with posing nude. I am mildly annoyed at the distraction that her past has caused regarding the issues at hand. There is no reason to suspect that Mrs. Trump is either saint nor villain. She is our FLOTUS. A place I would not wish to be. May our wishes be with her.
I had read that she had a degree from her home country of Slovania. But when I went to look it up for you just now it looks like that may not be true - that she may have only attended one year of college then left to model. They did say it was a hard college to get into, if that counts.

Melania Trump's College Degree : snopes.com

ETA: You said "...She is our FLOTUS. A place I would not wish to be. ..." - Yeah, no kidding!
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I think that it is mean spirited to make fun of the people who are ancillary to the person in public office. I am having fun smacking down people making fun of Barron Trump on line. Poor kid.
Totally agree Barron is off limits. I don't think the "Free Melania" is anything near that, though.

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Props to being open to discourse Vlad. And for admitting to sort of favoring a "left" ideal.

As a populist, I expect I favor a lot of "left" thinking, albeit primarily in the middle and gives precedents to and favors the bonafide American citizens.

That being said. I dont believe that some proposed methods for improvement are the way to go. Charter schools being run like a business is rife with corruption and scandal. Teacher pay based on student performance is ridiculous after thinking about it for all of a minute. After that I dont really know what has been proposed.

Pay based on student performance is an idiotic idea. Location of schools and student location assignment plays a large role in student performance. Teachers assigned to magnet schools with competitive entrance processes are going to have better student performance than if the same teacher were assigned to an intercity school in a drug, gang, crime infested area. Call it what you want but that's the way the ball bounces.

If you don't embody controversy, what you say will become just another part of the media driven culture of stifling thought and debate about issues.
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I had read that she had a degree from her home country of Slovania. But when I went to look it up for you just now it looks like that may not be true - that she may have only attended one year of college then left to model. They did say it was a hard college to get into, if that counts.

Melania Trump's College Degree : snopes.com

ETA: You said "...She is our FLOTUS. A place I would not wish to be. ..." - Yeah, no kidding!
This is what I read as well. She started college but did not get far because of her modeling career.

She is a high school (or whatever they call it there) graduate. When I lived in Europe the high schools there were far more advanced than any American high school. The kids who were on the track to go to college got a very advanced education. For example they all had to learn several languages to include Greek, Latin, English, French and others of their choice. By the time they graduated high school, they had the equivalent of at least 2 years of college in the American system.

She was apparently a fairly successful fashion model.

Also, since when is having a college degree a requirement for having class?

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Are you serious? The woman is fluent in 4 or 5 languages, is a successful entrepreneur, highly educated, and involved in a lot of charitable giving. On WHAT do you base your doubts?

Personally, I question the class of any woman who poses nude, but I'd be surprised if that bothered you. I have never seen or heard her behave in any way that lacks class since she came onto my radar through this election.
Highly educated? You mean the architecture and design degree that never was?

As for 4-5 languages, I'm European born and raised. That's normal .

Doubts? Look up her education...

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Highly educated? You mean the architecture and design degree that never was?
At one point this degree was listed on her website until its lack of existence was uncovered. It was removed that day.
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Highly educated? You mean the architecture and design degree that never was?

As for 4-5 languages, I'm European born and raised. That's normal .

Doubts? Look up her education...


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What do you think was mean-spirited about it? I think it was just supposed to be funny.



No one thinks she is actually being held captive. She surely loves him.


Lots of people emotionally abuse and belittle their spouses under the guise of being "funny". It's not funny when you are the object of the "joke".
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Any plans to go back home John after you leave your wife? Getting the cat there might be difficult.
The cat is back in college with DD1 unfortunately. But the EU generally has fairly simple pet travel requirements.
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At one point this degree was listed on her website until its lack of existence was uncovered. It was removed that day.
I'm a parent of a design / architecture student. No time for modeling, tho DD1 did get an offer to work for Hooters
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