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Well I will make sure to tell that to my 13 year old who has already beaten back sexual violence. Hell, I will try to remember that the next time I consider my own rapes. Because here in the west, violence against women (or gays or blacks or Muslims or Asians) does not happen! That's telling it straight! I mean grabbing them by the pvssy is just "lover room talk". (My husband has a particular problem with that one.) Just forget the dude who thought it was perfectly reasonably to insert his finger inside my pantyhose on a crowded subway.

I am privileged to know a great many awesome men. They did this wacky thing yesterday. They marched for social justice.

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Women in the west are treated equally and have equal rights. Men are abused as well, and raped and have wives who hit them. Its not a women only thing. I personally know 5 young men who were sexually abused as children.

Be careful who you go out with and marry is my advise.

The marches were a waste of time, and their only purpose was to hate their new president who was democratically elected.

Some of the speeches were lewd, disgusting, dangerous and didnt in anyway represent most normal women.

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A bunch of my bff's attended marches and they are all very reasonable women. Not the man hater crowd..
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Women in the west are treated equally and have equal rights.
That's really an interesting perspective. I have never seen any large scale movement to deny men coverage to viagra or to have reproductive service coverage curtailed because they might seek condoms. I even missed the studies that demonstrate that men are not paid equally for their work. On more subtle notes (wicked subtle) I have never seen women violently defend a rapist's lack of judicial accountability because it would negatively affect his swimming career. I will have to have a look for those.
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Men are abused as well, and raped and have wives who hit them.
Of course they do. I wish there was more information as to the degree. It is a crying shame that men are still stigmatized ... interesting by the same people who use terms like pvssified and the like to describe the appropriate behavior of men.

It remains beyond naive to think that the desire to subjugate women was magically erased with the passage of the voting rights act. I mean, sure, all is well if you cede to your father/brothers/husband and do the "right thing" like make 'em a sammich.

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Its not a women only thing. I personally know 5 young men who were sexually abused as children.
Of course it is not a women only thing. I was gratified with my last donation to Women Helping Battered Women locally that they renamed themselves to be gender neutral. I do wish that the march name was not specific to women. But I saw as many signs regarding Black Lives Matter, the right to religious freedom, LGBT rights and on at the marches to understand that the majority get this.

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The marches were a waste of time, and their only purpose was to hate their new president who was democratically elected.
Well I cannot say that I hate him. He certainly is a disgusting example of a human being. But hate is bad for the hater. I will never understand this call to support him by these so called patriots. Do they not understand that patriotic progress has always and will always be at the hands of people who are willing to act for the right that the founding fathers set out to bestow on us? Aside from the fact that Obama received no such support, unless you consider klan style effigy burning support, why is peaceful marching hateful?

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Some of the speeches were lewd, disgusting, dangerous and didnt in anyway represent most normal women.
I did not hear Madonna's speech, which you mentioned directly. But I don't have a big problem with lewdness. Motivation to action comes in many forms. My delicate female sensitivities don't get all that upset by such things. I am not sure what you think a "normal" woman is. One who likes being beholden to their masters as long as they (or their father) chooses their master well?
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IMO, it really wasn't a march for all women. There were some women that were unwanted. For example, conservative religious women. Well I guess except those that wear a hijab or veil. Also there was even infighting among organization. It really became a competition of which group is more victimized. Many didn't want any "privileged white women" speaking for them.
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IMO, it really wasn't a march for all women. There were some women that were unwanted. For example, conservative religious women. Well I guess except those that wear a hijab or veil.
Got source? That is reprehensible. I did not see any reports of this. I would like to know where to look. Thanks.

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Also there was even infighting among organization. It really became a competition of which group is more victimized. Many didn't want any "privileged white women" speaking for them.
You missed ALL the privileged white women there? And privileged white men?
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Assuming it is true, I find it amusing that certain pro life women's groups were asked/told not to participate in the March.... oh the "tolerant" ....

I am sure Soros was glad to be back in action as well lol

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Got source? That is reprehensible. I did not see any reports of this. I would like to know where to look. Thanks.
Pro-life women banned from anti-Trump Women's March on Washington - Washington Times

The Women?s March on Washington Errs in Excluding Pro-Life Feminists | Op Ed | US News

Though snubbed by Womens March prolife groups will still participate

Why is the Women's March excluding pro-life women?

If you don't embody controversy, what you say will become just another part of the media driven culture of stifling thought and debate about issues.
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She said Muslim, headscarf wearing people. I am not sure you understand what the march was about. The fact that it had the word women in it did not make it a march about bearing certain genitalia.
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Yes I saw a couple of signs like that LOL.
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I did not go - the nation has a different tone than the last time I went to a rally. I wouldn't feel okay bringing my infant son even to the rally in Concord, NH. Or maybe I'm just more aware of risks.

A friend brought a Free Melania sign. He was pleased to know it became famous


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A bunch of my bff's attended marches and they are all very reasonable women. Not the man hater crowd..

They were in the man organised by the man hater crowd. Why did they go?
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She said Muslim, headscarf wearing people. I am not sure you understand what the march was about. The fact that it had the word women in it did not make it a march about bearing certain genitalia.
I didn't say muslim women were not welcome. One of their posters have a hijab wearing woman on it, (which represents the complete opposite of feminism.) I said other religious women that are traditionally conservative, like some Christian and Jewish sects.

Agenda for Women?s March has been hijacked by organizers bent on highlighting women?s differences ? Women in the World in Association with The New York Times ? WITW
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That's really an interesting perspective. I have never seen any large scale movement to deny men coverage to viagra or to have reproductive service coverage curtailed because they might seek condoms. I even missed the studies that demonstrate that men are not paid equally for their work. On more subtle notes (wicked subtle) I have never seen women violently defend a rapist's lack of judicial accountability because it would negatively affect his swimming career. I will have to have a look for those.

Of course they do. I wish there was more information as to the degree. It is a crying shame that men are still stigmatized ... interesting by the same people who use terms like pvssified and the like to describe the appropriate behavior of men.

It remains beyond naive to think that the desire to subjugate women was magically erased with the passage of the voting rights act. I mean, sure, all is well if you cede to your father/brothers/husband and do the "right thing" like make 'em a sammich.


Of course it is not a women only thing. I was gratified with my last donation to Women Helping Battered Women locally that they renamed themselves to be gender neutral. I do wish that the march name was not specific to women. But I saw as many signs regarding Black Lives Matter, the right to religious freedom, LGBT rights and on at the marches to understand that the majority get this.


Right. Toe the line. Good advice.

Well I cannot say that I hate him. He certainly is a disgusting example of a human being. But hate is bad for the hater. I will never understand this call to support him by these so called patriots. Do they not understand that patriotic progress has always and will always be at the hands of people who are willing to act for the right that the founding fathers set out to bestow on us? Aside from the fact that Obama received no such support, unless you consider klan style effigy burning support, why is peaceful marching hateful?



I did not hear Madonna's speech, which you mentioned directly. But I don't have a big problem with lewdness. Motivation to action comes in many forms. My delicate female sensitivities don't get all that upset by such things. I am not sure what you think a "normal" woman is. One who likes being beholden to their masters as long as they (or their father) chooses their master well?
A normal woman is one who is mature enough to accept that sometimes we lose in life, the one we voted for doesn't get in, and who moves on and accepts it with dignity. Who doesn't throw her toys out of the pram and have a tantrum because she didnt get her own way. Who respects democracy and the choice of the American people evenb if it wasnt who THEY wanted to win this time. In other words, a large number of ordinary hardworking mothers, wives and single ladies who would never go on such a man hating march.

As for reproductive services, cant she afford a condom?

I have no idea what you mean about 'masters and fathers'.
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What I saw was that there were many different groups with different agendas all agreed on one thing, they do no like the idea that Trump is President. There is much that is wrong in what is going on, a secretary of labour who owns fast food places, opposes minimum wages and sees American workers being replaced by robots. His choice for secretary of education did not understand the two modes of evaluation used in U.S. Schools. Many of his selections have been married multiple times, had mistresses and girl friends and been under investigation for a variety of acts. There is much to dislike and much to oppose in a Trump administration.
As to men, I thought that Van Jones made a solid speech with a good message.
I remain happy I'm not an American.
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