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They were in the man organised by the man hater crowd. Why did they go?
Because, like me, they do not feel women are quite where they should be in America in terms of work, family... As a father of two college age girls I'm quite sure that we should be better than that.

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What I saw was that there were many different groups with different agendas all agreed on one thing, they do no like the idea that Trump is President. There is much that is wrong in what is going on, a secretary of labour who owns fast food places, opposes minimum wages and sees American workers being replaced by robots. His choice for secretary of education did not understand the two modes of evaluation used in U.S. Schools. Many of his selections have been married multiple times, had mistresses and girl friends and been under investigation for a variety of acts. There is much to dislike and much to oppose in a Trump administration.
As to men, I thought that Van Jones made a solid speech with a good message.
I remain happy I'm not an American.
I also am not American but we also have many men hating feminists here too.
I have 2 adult daughters and a daughter in law who have had no less opportunities in the west than my son did.
The clinton administration were a mess also, she is a mess, her marriage has always been a mess.
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We did not go, though I am not sure why the topic is funny. We had planned to leave about an hour earlier than the normal travel time would require. But by then the highways and street roads were grid locked and the organizers indicated there was no where remaining to park. From all reports of friends who planned better than I indicate it was peaceful and wonderful. Friends and relatives from all over the world participated in the marches in their area except for the one friend who flew in from Africa to attend the DC march.



It marks a beginning despite the notion of some that it is a fruitless symbolic gesture. My support for organizations like Planned Parenthood and the ACLU will continue. I will probably stop writing in Mike Pence's name on my PP donations. The activism at the state house will increase. Most of my other charitable activities will remain unchanged. The day the Muslim registry is enacted, I don't know a single person who does not plan to register, myself included. I hope they don't march me away. I really hope they don't make me wear a head scarf. They seem really uncomfortable. And in this climate they seem like they would be difficult to wear a hat with.



It is about priorities now. I am not 100% certain how actions on my part can have an affect on Trump's disastrous Education Secretary nominee. That the National Endowment for the Arts is once again on the chopping block comes as no surprise. The expenditure is peanuts, but it really seems to piss conservatives off to fund anything useful. But since I have always been a patron of the arts, I am going to let that one go as a lower priority. My daughter and son both are considering returning to their martial arts training in light of an expectation of increased violence against women and LGBT folks. That is their decision though, not mine.



But most importantly my subscriptions to real news sources will increase significantly so that we can discern the ... um ... alternative facts that we are being fed. I wonder if I can use alternative facts on my tax return? I know of a guy who got in trouble with alternative facts on his resume. He got fired! Who knew alternative facts could be so troublesome?



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If you want to voluntarily fund those organizations, knock yourself out. That's the way they should be funded.

Not with my tax dollars taken from me under penalty of inprisonment.

Hundreds of millions of dollars are not peanuts. It is that distorted thinking that has us with a 20 trillion dollar national debt to China and others.

What do you call "real" news sources?

The extreme over reaction of these people is sad.

They can always move to Mexico before the wall is put up.
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They can always move to Mexico before the wall is put up.

Are you going to pay for the wall?





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Are you going to pay for the wall?





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I'd rather pay for the wall then involuntarily pay for liberal offense art or abortion.

So, the answer is yes. I will pay for my share.

It is a jobs program.

It will keep wages of some minorities from being depressed further

It will reduce job loses.

It will reduce crime. Yes, many illegals commit crime. It's bad where i live.

And hopefully my section of the wall includes opening for legal immigration for those who are willing to become Americans.

Do I get a sign like they do along the interstate? " This section sponsored by Blue"?
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[quote=225985;17234169]If you want to voluntarily fund those organizations, knock yourself out. That's the way they should be funded.

Not with my tax dollars taken from me under penalty of inprisonment.
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I wish I could line item my tax expenditures as well! That would be nifty. Yes, I believe that access to health care is not only a fundamental right in such a wealthy country as ours, it is good for business, good for the economy, good for people's ability to support their children. There are models of this all over Europe. What is it? The desire for rugged individualism that causes people to say Fvch 'em to the socio-economically challenged? But for the grace of the flying spaghetti monster goes I.

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Hundreds of millions of dollars are not peanuts. It is that distorted thinking that has us with a 20 trillion dollar national debt to China and others.
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Yah actually reading what was written is challenging for some. I get it. You were responding to a comment about the NEA.

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Haaaaaa. Fix News.

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Who are "these people"? You are responding to me. Well sort of. Ok not really. You hit the reply button on one of my posts.

What is really interesting is the lack of answer I get when I ask people what we are to expect from this administration, there is no answer. Which of his campaign promises are we supposed to believe? The one where Mexico is going to pay for a wall. Aside from being a dumb idea to begin with, we see now that we are going to pay for it, and they will pay us back. I wonder why I would expect any such thing?

The list goes on. Forget about discussing his cabinet picks.

We''ll never get an answer to these. We'll never get an answer to why we think trickle down economics is going to be a blessing this time when historically it has failed the economy over and over. We will never get an answer to why we think nationalism and isolationism will be a good thing this time when historically it has ranged from bad to disaster.

We're told we are not patriots for opposing the policies of the incoming administration, for using our constitutionally protected voices and our activism. We are then told to leave, move to Mexico, Canada.
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From what I understood, the march was against sexism against women, especially in light of Trump's remarks etc. etc. This is going to sound a bit controversial, but I don't really see the point. While I don't agree with those who say things are perfect in the West, I actually don't think that the march was relevant to the current situation.

And I seem to have missed the Free Melania joke. I also don't think she has more 'class' than Michelle. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Michelle has an impressive, high-level education and Melania did not even go to college. Melania is also a model, so yes, she does look good.
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[quote=NobodySpecial;17234697][quote=225985;17234169]If you want to voluntarily fund those organizations, knock yourself out. That's the way they should be funded.



Not with my tax dollars taken from me under penalty of inprisonment.

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I wish I could line item my tax expenditures as well! That would be nifty. Yes, I believe that access to health care is not only a fundamental right in such a wealthy country as ours, it is good for business, good for the economy, good for people's ability to support their children. There are models of this all over Europe. What is it? The desire for rugged individualism that causes people to say Fvch 'em to the socio-economically challenged? But for the grace of the flying spaghetti monster goes I.



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Hundreds of millions of dollars are not peanuts. It is that distorted thinking that has us with a 20 trillion dollar national debt to China and others.

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Yah actually reading what was written is challenging for some. I get it. You were responding to a comment about the NEA.





Haaaaaa. Fix News.





Who are "these people"? You are responding to me. Well sort of. Ok not really. You hit the reply button on one of my posts.



What is really interesting is the lack of answer I get when I ask people what we are to expect from this administration, there is no answer. Which of his campaign promises are we supposed to believe? The one where Mexico is going to pay for a wall. Aside from being a dumb idea to begin with, we see now that we are going to pay for it, and they will pay us back. I wonder why I would expect any such thing?



The list goes on. Forget about discussing his cabinet picks.



We''ll never get an answer to these. We'll never get an answer to why we think trickle down economics is going to be a blessing this time when historically it has failed the economy over and over. We will never get an answer to why we think nationalism and isolationism will be a good thing this time when historically it has ranged from bad to disaster.



We're told we are not patriots for opposing the policies of the incoming administration, for using our constitutionally protected voices and our activism. We are then told to leave, move to Mexico, Canada.


Did i tell anyone to move???? I said you CAN move. You have the freedom to if you choose. You appear hyper partisan and are responding to what you want, not what is written.

I grew up poor. My parents sacrificed to provide a better life for me. I worked hard to get in my position. Wife and i made decisions. Sacrificed and saved.

We donate to charities. Tip well. I provide for my recently widowed mother.

You want the government to provide everything but want someone else to pay for it. We are running trillion dollar annual deficits.

If someone wants to go to expensive college, run up huge student loans, get a generic degree, don't complain you have loans and can't get a job. Go to a state college, get a degree in a field companies actually need workers for.

I always thought we should have two tax rates on the income tax forms. Standard and double. If you want big government, you select double taxes and put your money where your mouth is.

Most people who are poor don't care about NEA funding. It is the rich who want others to pay for it.


I don't prefer the "real" News sources who just happen to provide the debate questions ahead of time to one candidate.

Lots of fox news broadcasting is commentary. But they have good news. That is why the have more viewers than most of the other news channels combined. We are not all dumb hicks with guns and religion.
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Yes, but this march was about opposing Trump policies. So why would a pro-lifer even want to show up?

Besides, the pro-lifers already had their party. It was called the inauguration.
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Yes, but this march was about opposing Trump policies. So why would a pro-lifer even want to show up?

Besides, the pro-lifers already had their party. It was called the inauguration.
I thought the march was about Women's rights So if a female is pro life, this need not apply I guess ...

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Yes, but this march was about opposing Trump policies. So why would a pro-lifer even want to show up?

Besides, the pro-lifers already had their party. It was called the inauguration.
I am pro womens rights, the right not to be horribly killed before they are even born.
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I thought the march was about Women's rights So if a female is pro life, this need not apply I guess ...
The mission statement states very clearly that the march was a response to Trump's campaign and proposed policies, and standing in opposition to them. One of the guiding principles is reproductive freedom.

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The rhetoric of the past election cycle has insulted, demonized, and threatened many of us - immigrants of all statuses, Muslims and those of diverse religious faiths, people who identify as LGBTQIA, Native people, Black and Brown people, people with disabilities, survivors of sexual assault - and our communities are hurting and scared. We are confronted with the question of how to move forward in the face of national and international concern and fear.

In the spirit of democracy and honoring the champions of human rights, dignity, and justice who have come before us, we join in diversity to show our presence in numbers too great to ignore. The Women’s March on Washington will send a bold message to our new government on their first day in office, and to the world that women's rights are human rights. We stand together, recognizing that defending the most marginalized among us is defending all of us.
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I am pro womens rights, the right not to be horribly killed before they are even born.
Then you will be very happy with the Trump presidency, as he has already taken steps to make sure that women do not have any reproductive choices. Why would you want to march against him?
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The mission statement states very clearly that the march was a response to Trump's campaign and proposed policies, and standing in opposition to them. One of the guiding principles is reproductive freedom.
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Then you will be very happy with the Trump presidency, as he has already taken steps to make sure that women do not have any reproductive choices. Why would you want to march against him?
You contradict yourself. You state all these missions about the march, but then you go ahead and imply that anyone who is pro life must be a trump supporter, so there is no need to march. So what you are saying, this march was solely about Pro Abortion. If you believe in pro life, even if you are a woman, you need not apply ... love the hypocrisy
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You contradict yourself. You state all these missions about the march, but then you go ahead and imply that anyone who is pro life must be a trump supporter, so there is no need to march. So what you are saying, this march was solely about Pro Abortion. If you believe in pro life, even if you are a woman, you need not apply ... love the hypocrisy
No, first of all, I said nothing about being "pro abortion". I said that one of -- and that is only one of -- the guiding principles for the march was reproductive freedom.

I did assume that a pro-lifer would be happy with the Trump presidency, and that maybe is wrong. However, should they march against other of Trump's policies, why would they want to do it under a pro-life banner? It makes no sense.

If you are objecting to his immigration policies, for example, or his environmental policies, or if you simply want to stand with the LGBTQIA community, why do you need your pro-life placard??
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