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i was appalled at some of the speeches eg madonnas and others. I wouldnt go, most were instigated by men hating feminists, and in the west women really have nothing to complain about.
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It's called "I got my white picket fence house, golden retriever, 2.3 kids, PTO president job, and import SUV thanks to my hard working provider husband and the rest of y'all can screw yourselves".

It's only when those women are dumped for a younger one by their "hard working provider" husbands that they realize west (sic) women don't really have it all that good.
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No, first of all, I said nothing about being "pro abortion". I said that one of -- and that is only one of -- the guiding principles for the march was reproductive freedom.

I did assume that a pro-lifer would be happy with the Trump presidency, and that maybe is wrong. However, should they march against other of Trump's policies, why would they want to do it under a pro-life banner? It makes no sense.

If you are objecting to his immigration policies, for example, or his environmental policies, or if you simply want to stand with the LGBTQIA community, why do you need your pro-life placard??
I have seen many women comment about the march being about unifying women. If so, why does this not include women who are pro life? I am not arguing pro life or pro abortion, but singling out a group and saying this march need not apply to them is a bit of a stretch.

You could argue it was the media or how things were portrayed, but at face value the march very much seems like a pro abortion march, with a few other issues sprinkled in (not downplaying any of it, just pointing out what I have seen via media coverage and speaking to others).

You want to protest the choice for education, I have no issues with. However, that is an issue that seems to have been swallowed up in this march (and probably more effective to have a march/protest dedicated to that), in particular since it has nothing to do with gender.

I have seen women comment that they are protesting the wage gap and their rights. Well, not gonna start that debate, there are some who believe in the wage gap and there are others who believe it does not exist. In terms of rights, it is against the law to discriminate employment, so there are laws in place to protect everyone. Whether or not wage discrimination still occurs, that is up for debate (nor do I think it makes sense to have that debate in this thread).

Let me clarify as well, I have zero issues with any march or protest. That is each person's right. I don't believe the message of what this march was about was entirely clear (why I have seen many people even asking what the purpose of the march was about). When one of the clear messages is it was about women uniting but then it is stated that women with certain beliefs need not apply, I see that as hypocritical. When women like Madonna are being treated like the champion of feminism (the person who basically implied a terrorist act of blowing up the white house, who stated, whether serious or not she would offer bjs to anyone who voted for Hillary, but I guess you can look past the bad and only focus on the good), it makes me scratch my head. When signs are being passed around about "Freeing Melania" as if she is some sort of hostage, I scratch my head as what does that have to do with this march. So yes, I do believe the march was meant to address a slew of issues / concerns. Do I think it was particularly effective in doing so beyond the pro abortion stance, no. Just my opinion and what I have gotten from others I have spoken to. Naturally you may feel completely opposite, which is perfectly fine.
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Yes, but this march was about opposing Trump policies. So why would a pro-lifer even want to show up?
I would actually enthusiastically support a genuine pro life agenda if that was what was really being sought. That is not really what the conversation is or ever has been about. It is disingenuous. What is a life? A convicted criminal? Apparently not. If we are so concerned about the unborn, why do we allow the supposed moral objection to birth control to affect the coverage of the under privileged to make their own moral decisions around birth control? Why do we allow the appointment of an ill spoken, anti public education appointment to the head of education in this nation? I mean how is pregnancy related to education?!?! I cannot even fathom.

There is a lot of failure to understand what the march was about. It is hard to fathom how one could conclude it was about man hating feminism by looking at the photos from attendees i-Phones. Look at the signs and tell me what the march was about. (Not you specifically.)

But really it is about being sore losers. We all took our toys and went home. I guess! There were millions around the world who took their toys to their home countries, states and towns. I could move. There are any number of places in Europe my daughter would be happy to move to. But I don't want to. I kind of love it here. As the privileged daughter of middle class parents who started poor and worked their way up, I feel I can be a voice for those who find themselves in the place my parents found themselves. Having worked for, with and among these victims, I am super proud of them and their hard work, determination and drive. Not for themselves. For their children. Men, women and children working for a better life for themselves. Hardly victims. And I get a measure of gratification knowing that my voice stands with them.

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It's called "I got my white picket fence house, golden retriever, 2.3 kids, PTO president job, and import SUV thanks to my hard working provider husband and the rest of y'all can screw yourselves".

It's only when those women are dumped for a younger one by their "hard working provider" husbands that they realize west (sic) women don't really have it all that good.
Hmmm. Those women must have chosen wrong.
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Oh Herschel love. Don't you know? Let's me fair here though for a second. There are still little girls in the world who have been born into sexual slavery. Is my lot better? Damned straight. I should probably accept that my bar is higher.

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But you will note that the person making the remark about women in the west really having nothing to complain about was from a woman. Who lives in the west.

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Hmmm. Those women must have chosen wrong.
Have they?

About 7 years ago a new family moved in behind our house. She was late 30's, quite attractive, with an athletic ten or eleven year old boy and provider husband. As is the norm here we never talk to each other

Fast forward yesterday. She stops by to let me know they'll be doing some major landscaping changes which will impact our side as well (about fvcking time). She's mid 40's, frumpy as heck, and the kid has turned into Dudley from Harry Potter. Meanwhile husband is in great shape for a 50+ guy.

Sooooo. When she's dumped in a year or two, did she choose the wrong husband or did she choose the wrong all you can eat restaurant?.
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I have seen many women comment about the march being about unifying women. If so, why does this not include women who are pro life? I am not arguing pro life or pro abortion, but singling out a group and saying this march need not apply to them is a bit of a stretch.

You could argue it was the media or how things were portrayed, but at face value the march very much seems like a pro abortion march, with a few other issues sprinkled in (not downplaying any of it, just pointing out what I have seen via media coverage and speaking to others).

You want to protest the choice for education, I have no issues with. However, that is an issue that seems to have been swallowed up in this march (and probably more effective to have a march/protest dedicated to that), in particular since it has nothing to do with gender.

I have seen women comment that they are protesting the wage gap and their rights. Well, not gonna start that debate, there are some who believe in the wage gap and there are others who believe it does not exist. In terms of rights, it is against the law to discriminate employment, so there are laws in place to protect everyone. Whether or not wage discrimination still occurs, that is up for debate (nor do I think it makes sense to have that debate in this thread).

Let me clarify as well, I have zero issues with any march or protest. That is each person's right. I don't believe the message of what this march was about was entirely clear (why I have seen many people even asking what the purpose of the march was about). When one of the clear messages is it was about women uniting but then it is stated that women with certain beliefs need not apply, I see that as hypocritical. When women like Madonna are being treated like the champion of feminism (the person who basically implied a terrorist act of blowing up the white house, who stated, whether serious or not she would offer bjs to anyone who voted for Hillary, but I guess you can look past the bad and only focus on the good), it makes me scratch my head. When signs are being passed around about "Freeing Melania" as if she is some sort of hostage, I scratch my head as what does that have to do with this march. So yes, I do believe the march was meant to address a slew of issues / concerns. Do I think it was particularly effective in doing so beyond the pro abortion stance, no. Just my opinion and what I have gotten from others I have spoken to. Naturally you may feel completely opposite, which is perfectly fine.
Well that's just it, isn't it? Reality is that not all women agree. There are many that stand solidly behind Trump and all of his policies. Look at Melania. Look at Kelly Ann Conway. And notice, even though it was called a "woman's" march, it did not exclude men in any way. Indeed, some men were even called on as speakers.

The unifying principle of this march was opposition to Trump, his appointees, and who it stood for was all of those who will be disenfranchised, and even further marginalized by the enactment of the Trump platform.

Did you listen to or pay attention to any of the march? It wasn't all about reproductive freedom, not even in the slightest. Perhaps the pro-lifers are miffed they were excluded, but the reality was that there was much more going on that they could have potentially stood behind.

Really, a pro-life banner at that march would only be there to show dissent for the whole purpose of the march. And that's fine. If you don't agree they by all means protest. But at least acknowledge that that's the aim.
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I did not go - the nation has a different tone than the last time I went to a rally. I wouldn't feel okay bringing my infant son even to the rally in Concord, NH. Or maybe I'm just more aware of risks.

A friend brought a Free Melania sign. He was pleased to know it became famous
Yeah, great choice! Whenever you get people laughing, you make it easier for them to relax and be open. That sign was my favorite.

My daughter liked a more serious one, though: "When men are oppressed, it is called a tragedy. When women are oppressed, it is called a tradition."


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Well that's just it, isn't it? Reality is that not all women agree. There are many that stand solidly behind Trump and all of his policies. Look at Melania. Look at Kelly Ann Conway. And notice, even though it was called a "woman's" march, it did not exclude men in any way. Indeed, some men were even called on as speakers.

The unifying principle of this march was opposition to Trump, his appointees, and who it stood for was all of those who will be disenfranchised, and even further marginalized by the enactment of the Trump platform.

Did you listen to or pay attention to any of the march? It wasn't all about reproductive freedom, not even in the slightest. Perhaps the pro-lifers are miffed they were excluded, but the reality was that there was much more going on that they could have potentially stood behind.

Really, a pro-life banner at that march would only be there to show dissent for the whole purpose of the march. And that's fine. If you don't agree they by all means protest. But at least acknowledge that that's the aim.
I saw bits and pieces on the news. read various articles (from both sides). Like I said, whether it was how the media portrayed it or not, the focus was still on Pro Abortion (and IMO the other issues just kind of got absorbed in there). I am not the only person (male or female) who came away with this impression. I do understand that there were meant to be more behind the march, just stating the perception I have seen which several people share. Like I said, I just find the irony in the message of unifying/empowering women where exceptions are made for women who don't share the same values, that's all...
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Well that's just it, isn't it? Reality is that not all women agree. There are many that stand solidly behind Trump and all of his policies. Look at Melania. Look at Kelly Ann Conway. And notice, even though it was called a "woman's" march, it did not exclude men in any way. Indeed, some men were even called on as speakers.

The unifying principle of this march was opposition to Trump, his appointees, and who it stood for was all of those who will be disenfranchised, and even further marginalized by the enactment of the Trump platform.

Did you listen to or pay attention to any of the march? It wasn't all about reproductive freedom, not even in the slightest. Perhaps the pro-lifers are miffed they were excluded, but the reality was that there was much more going on that they could have potentially stood behind.

Really, a pro-life banner at that march would only be there to show dissent for the whole purpose of the march. And that's fine. If you don't agree they by all means protest. But at least acknowledge that that's the aim.
I don't know that a pro-life banner would be out of place. Like you said, there is much more there to agree with than just the pro-choice stand.

Did you go to a March, jade?

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Is there money to be made saving said orphan babies? Is one of the babies hot, so Donald can bang her when she turns 18?



If no to either of those I dont see it happening.


Thank you for making my point!

TAM does seem to be populated with more lefties than righties.

It's ironic because here we preach personal responsibility, don't become dependent on your spouse etc. Right position.

Versus having the government provide for us and take care of us. Left position.

Oh well.

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Thank you for making my point.
What was your point?

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Is there money to be made saving said orphan babies? Is one of the babies hot, so Donald can bang her when she turns 18?



If no to either of those I dont see it happening.


Compared to the other well known billionaires Trump has pennies. Most of them, from Gates to Buffet to Soros are very left leaning. While they donate money now, read up in how ruthless they were in acquiring that wealth.

I guess being greedy and ruthless is a requirement for being a billionaire.

Others are greedy and ruthless, but haven't yet reached the billion mark, like Bill and Hillary.
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