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post #91 of 300 (permalink) Old 01-23-2017, 12:11 PM
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I am not sure who the "they" is to whom you are referring. But I will give you what constitutes my short list at the moment:

Health care. Like universal access to it.

Education. Like improving it rather than dismantling it.

Continued economic progress. Like for everyone not just the lucky few like myself who will benefit from trickle down.
I sort of favor universal heath care myself. As far as improving education and continued economic progress, My perception is that Trump intends to do just that. Where am I wrong.


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NS, I have heard teachers say they like the idea of dropping Common Core. What do you think of that?

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I don't think the protesters are trolling. They seem pretty serious. Or are you saying that they weren't really protesting anything? That they just got out, assaulted people, broke windows, and otherwise committed felonies just to troll the right?



Are you saying that they weren't protesting anything? What do the women here who were taking these marches seriously think of your comment about their "advocacy"?

So you know what the protesters are thinking? That's pretty clever of you.

When Trump utters some gibberish he's trolling and we should take him seriously but not literally. But when someone holds a "Free Melania" sign we should take that literally but not seriously?
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NS, I have heard teachers say they like the idea of dropping Common Core. What do you think of that?
I'm not a huge fan of Common Core. My daughter came home somewhat recently with some homework ostensibly about the associative property. No problem! Then she showed me the assignment. I was a bit baffled by how this was even math, forget about being about the associative property. But soldier on we did. So she took out her notes, and we went over them. She figured it out and explained it to me. It turns out that they don't actually teach these properties. They give examples (backwards) and leave it up to you to figure it out. So not a huge fan of Common Core. The truth is that my kids learned more about math, science and history when we took our home school resources out and figured out what was what together.

But that amounts to a drop in the bucket when it constitutes the difficulties that face our schools. My creativity fails when identifying solutions when, being the type A person that I am, I find public discourse cannot even unlock a common set of desired outcomes.
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I sort of favor universal heath care myself. As far as improving education and continued economic progress, My perception is that Trump intends to do just that. Where am I wrong.
Have you done any investigation into his Education Secretary nomination? That would be a place to start with regard to education.

As for economic growth, I simply have seen nothing of either his experience or what little policy statements he has made to suggest that there will be anything useful on that front. Assuming for a moment that shareholder interest in any way parallels public interest, which is a pretty big assumption, I see nothing to suggest that his interest lie in anything but self aggrandizement. His great economic success has been by swindling contractors and employees and using the courts to bury people who challenge him. His nominees are all profit hogs. And as I have mentioned before, trickle down economics has not brought any wholesale economic benefit before. And he has not indicated any measures that would make it different this time.

As for bringing jobs, I still don't see it. In this agricultural state, the immigrant issue remains a solution looking for a problem. The jobs that our central American compadres are taking are jobs no one here wants. Trump's own business outsource as much as they can. I don't see any policy directive out of his administration that speaks to jobs. Just empty promises that we are supposed to believe because of his. Hair?
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I don't know that a pro-life banner would be out of place. Like you said, there is much more there to agree with than just the pro-choice stand.

Did you go to a March, jade?
No. I was hoping to, but would've had to travel to get to one and that wasn't in the cards. I watched a good chunk of the rally, though.
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TAM does seem to be populated with more lefties than righties.
LOL. I have the exact opposite impression.
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Again, I'm taking a wait and see approach. I didn't say he was a decent CEO. I said he was the best chioce on the shelf. Seriously, I'm an independent populist and he was the closest thing to it at the time. Neither do I believe the open borders, identity politics of the Democrats are best for the country as a whole. I admit ignorance about his education picks. Nevertheless, I taught accounting, tax and business law a number of years as an adjunct instructor. I retired about three years ago. Although they typically take these courses after several semesters of core courses, I saw the quality of my students writing and math skills decline over the years. Therefore I am not overly impressed with the education system we have.
At any rate, buried in Trump's puffing are some things that sound good on paper, as they say. I'll either be sorry I voted for him or glad I did. If I was good at predicting, I could clean up down at the dog track.

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I sort of favor universal heath care myself. As far as improving education and continued economic progress, My perception is that Trump intends to do just that. Where am I wrong.
Props to being open to discourse Vlad. And for admitting to sort of favoring a "left" ideal.

As to the economic side I cant say I know what Trump plans to do.

Education?

The teachers in my family HATE the person he picked for secretary of education. Bestsy DeVoss I believe. I believe she is not a fan of public schools having attended all private schools herself. And from what reading I have done completely FAILED at her hearing, and is in no way qualified to be secretary of education.

I must say that being in Nebraska, which has in my opinion GREAT public schools, I dont really get many peoples gripes with the school system today. To be honest though we are different in some regards. No charter schools in Nebraska. MUCH fewer private schools. Mainly only a few Catholic and Lutheran schools. And Im not sure how much of the common core curriculum that everyone complains about that our school district has adopted. Have a 4th grader and a kindergartner and I dont believe I have come across much math yet that has confused me. So again I may not be the one to ask about our "terrible" education system today.

That being said. I dont believe that some proposed methods for improvement are the way to go. Charter schools being run like a business is rife with corruption and scandal. Teacher pay based on student performance is ridiculous after thinking about it for all of a minute. After that I dont really know what has been proposed.


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I just read that Charlotte Church attended the Cardiff March. She held a sign that said, "I did not come from your rib. You came from my vagina."

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I had many friends and some family that marched. I also had many friends and family who made fun of it on FB. Personally, I'm a fan of peaceful demonstration for a worthy cause. I say good for them. If I were near a place where a March occurred I and my family would likely have been there too.

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I had many friends and some family that marched. I also had many friends and family who made fun of it on FB. Personally, I'm a fan of peaceful demonstration for a worthy cause. I say good for them. If I were near a place where a March occurred I and my family would likely have been there too.

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Fvcking libt@rd. (Only a ginger can call another ginger ginger!)
Too funny! The reality is that I'm an independent and can (and have) voted both ways in the past. I am a husband and the father of two teen girls. One of them appears to be bisexual (she uses the term pansexual). One day she may meet and marry someone of the same gender. And, reality is that I want my kids (and wife) to be free to make choices for themselves and to have the same options as men. I'm not particularly pro abortion, but I also don't like having religion dictate laws and regulations either.

So, march on ladies! Equality is a good thing!

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After 8 years we finally have a First Lady with class.
Michelle was the classiest First Lady I've seen in decades. And most gracious and giving.
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