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Will Bill take up with Monica after Hillary goes to prison?

Okay, so that title is a bit deceiving. Although, if anyone else was paying attention recently, it seems Bill walks at a distance while talking cheerfully with others while he is with Hillary.


I've been wondering what happened to the email issues Hillary was having during the election. Anyone else notice a conspicuous lack of information in the news?

I know it's Trump's inauguration and the start of his first one hundred days, but hey, I can't remember the last time anyone accomplished much in the first part of their term in office. I guess Obama had some accomplishments?

Anyway, I watched as Hillary shook the hand of the man who will be investigating her. I wondered if she felt any angst. I did a quick search and found an article I have posted below. I've pretty much quoted all of it and think it is quite interestingly short.

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Rep. Jason Chaffetz, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Affairs Committee that has investigated Hillary Clinton’s actions as secretary of state, including her private email server, shook hands with the former Democratic presidential nominee Friday.
But on Instagram, the Utah Republican — Jasoninthehouse — wasn’t nearly as diplomatic.
“So pleased she is not the President,” Chaffetz wrote. “The investigation continues.”


He has previously pledged to keep going with the probe of Clinton’s activities.
“Just because there was a political election doesn’t mean it goes away,” he said of the investigation last week, saying that classified emails that surfaced on Clinton’s server were “the largest breach of security in the history of the State Department.”
Upon seeing Chaffetz’s post Friday, Brian Fallon, a former spokesman for Clinton’s campaign, simply tweeted, “Subhuman.”

Utah Congressman Shakes Hillary Clinton?s Hand at Inauguration, Pledges to Continue Investigation Into Her Email | KTLA
Now for my question.

Does anyone truly believe she will be prosecuted?

Does anyone believe, if convicted, she would serve any time in prison?

Does anyone believe she is truly innocent?

If you believe she may have or is likely to have put the nation's security at risk with these emails and don't believe she should be prosecuted for treason, espionage or some other crime against the state, why?

That last one is really the one I'd like to understand. I just don't get why she seems to be considered above the law?

In conclusion, is that why so many are attacking Trump in the manner they are? Do they/you think he is above the law as president? Why?


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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Even if convicted she will never see one day of jail time. She is part of the ruling elite. They have a set of rules for them, and another set for us.

Naaaa......I'm not jaded.
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Even if convicted she will never see one day of jail time. She is part of the ruling elite. They have a set of rules for them, and another set for us.

Naaaa......I'm not jaded.
I don't really blame anyone for being jaded.

I wonder, what crimes were committed by officials of the state and who committed them? Were they ever prosecuted and sentenced? Can you name those who were not and what their crimes were?


Edit: Let's just make it a little easier by qualification. In the above questions, let's simply ask about all of the secretaries of state since the start of the United States of America. That should help to narrow it down.

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Okay, so that title is a bit deceiving. Although, if anyone else was paying attention recently, it seems Bill walks at a distance while talking cheerfully with others while he is with Hillary.


I've been wondering what happened to the email issues Hillary was having during the election. Anyone else notice a conspicuous lack of information in the news?

I know it's Trump's inauguration and the start of his first one hundred days, but hey, I can't remember the last time anyone accomplished much in the first part of their term in office. I guess Obama had some accomplishments?

Anyway, I watched as Hillary shook the hand of the man who will be investigating her. I wondered if she felt any angst. I did a quick search and found an article I have posted below. I've pretty much quoted all of it and think it is quite interestingly short.



Now for my question.

Does anyone truly believe she will be prosecuted?

Does anyone believe, if convicted, she would serve any time in prison?

Does anyone believe she is truly innocent?

If you believe she may have or is likely to have put the nation's security at risk with these emails and don't believe she should be prosecuted for treason, espionage or some other crime against the state, why?

That last one is really the one I'd like to understand. I just don't get why she seems to be considered above the law?

In conclusion, is that why so many are attacking Trump in the manner they are? Do they/you think he is above the law as president? Why?
Even if a prosecution was instigated immediately it would take years to complete.Now there is one thing you have to realise about politicians,basically they are all the same.If Hilary was prosecuted,on his last days in office Trump would pardon her.And she would do the same if the roles were reversed.This is America,we do not send our politicians to jail except in extreme circumstances.It's just un American.
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I don't really trust Wikipedia as well as I might some other sources because it is done by individuals who may or may not have credentials, but they are easy to get to and find answers. I would think this is a decent list, since it encompasses both parties.

Take a look. You'll probably need a tranquilizer first. Just kidding, but it is a very long list.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ecutive_branch

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Even if a prosecution was instigated immediately it would take years to complete.Now there is one thing you have to realise about politicians,basically they are all the same.If Hilary was prosecuted,on his last days in office Trump would pardon her.And she would do the same if the roles were reversed.This is America,we do not send our politicians to jail except in extreme circumstances.It's just un American.

Would he pardon her? I guess if he thought he might break some law in his administration, he might.

Quid pro quo?

What is extreme enough?

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Would he pardon her? I guess if he thought he might break some law in his administration, he might.

Quid pro quo?

What is extreme enough?
There was a study done a few years ago and the results were staggering.It was about the percentage of politicians who were involved in bribery,corruption,jobs for the boy's etc.If you google it you will find it.It is scary.
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Even if convicted she will never see one day of jail time. She is part of the ruling elite. They have a set of rules for them, and another set for us.

Naaaa......I'm not jaded.
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So we all agree there is a problem?

What is the solution? Anyone have an idea that won't allow some country to take over in the interim?


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Conviction would require proof that she intentionally misused classified information. I very much doubt that is the case, or that even if it were, that it could be proven. This will amount to nothing, in the end.

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Intentionally misused? Hmm.


Bbbbut judge, I didn't intend to kill that woman and her baby when I was drinking and driving.

Somehow we hold ourselves to a higher standard than we do the politicians.

Bbbbut judge, I didn't mean for those intelligence officers to be tortured for secrets and killed. It couldn't have hurt that badly. I bet they just shot them in the heart or something. They're 'mericans.

Of course, we can't know that happened, because obviously, it's a secret, right?


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Does anyone truly believe she will be prosecuted?
It's a coin toss. 50/50. I think there is an even chance some serious medical condition is revealed in the near future and it provides a cover story as to why Trump will use compassion by not continuing the prosecution.

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Does anyone believe, if convicted, she would serve any time in prison?
Yes, I think she would, absent some serious medical condition with a short time left to live.

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No, I think she is guilty as all hell on Pay to Play as well as violating the secrets act.

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If you believe she may have or is likely to have put the nation's security at risk with these emails and don't believe she should be prosecuted for treason, espionage or some other crime against the state, why?
Yes, I believe our security was severely compromised by her emails. No doubt numerous foreign governments hacked her account. Also no doubt she was selling influence via the Foundation.

Prosecution for the email server would be sufficient to put her in jail. No need to try to prove treason or espionage.


Finally, no Trump is not above the law. I like the idea of not prosecuting a former official for their legitimate acts which they believed to be lawful. There is certainly a lot of gray in many laws. But I do agree with prosecution for intentional criminal acts. The email server was an intentional and felonious act. Best case for Hillary is she was grossly negligent, which makes her guilty of the law. Worst case (and most likely imho) is she knew it was illegal but did it anyway.

Trump's supporters are going to hold his feet to the fire. His supporters are going to hold Republican Congressmen's feet to the fire. Failure to perform will be met with draining the swamp yet again. Intentional illegal acts will be met with calls for prosecution. The left is projecting their thought processes onto Trump supporters, and are 100% wrong.
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Conviction would require proof that she intentionally misused classified information. I very much doubt that is the case, or that even if it were, that it could be proven. This will amount to nothing, in the end.
The relevant statutes do not require intentionality of misusing classified information. It merely requires the person misused it. Putting classified documents on an unapproved unsecured server is by definition a violation. Negligent acts are a violation of the law. She did not have to know the details of the law and then decide to violate it, she only had to intentionally or negligently have classified information outside of approved areas.

Her server was not approved. Every single classified document, whether identified as classified or not, which went to or through her server was a felony act.
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Well, honestly @Thor, I thought I saw her head shaking when she was in the front row at the luncheon. I haven't thought about it for some time and wasn't looking for it. I just saw her head and then she seemed to be surrounded quickly and sat down in her chair with help.

I feel bad that she seems to be having these issues. I think you are correct. She will be let off with a revealed condition of some sort.

I think those grey areas should be removed as much as is possible. There is too much at stake in the fed gov.

Why should we let them get away with things we would never get away with?

Did you look at the Wikipedia link? I just looked under the Obama admin. That was enough to stop me from going further.

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