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post #16 of 47 (permalink) Old 01-24-2017, 10:45 AM
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The Democrats will not be back in any meaningful way for a very long time.
This is a myth. Do not fall for it. If the legal and illegal aliens are not kicked out, they will have a permanent voting base, which will be the end of the Republican party. Trump has 2 years to save us. He isn't going to do it.

I think the Republic is doomed. But that's what you get when you grant citizenship to a bunch of third world backwaters, who ruined their own countries. Somehow, by giving them a flag and a piece of paper, they're going to magically stop voting / supporting the policies and types of politicians that ruined their homelands? What a joke.


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I actually agree with the posters saying that 4 years isn't enough. But then how do we evaluate whether policies like reducing corporate taxes to grow the economy work?
The kids in 2075's History 404 class will take a stab at it Im sure

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Really! Try to get a job once.
My wife had six local offers, all six figures in the rust belt last March in a month. She's an IT consultant. Amazon has been trying to hire me forever (design). We're both well educated but with 30+ years experience each.

We're having trouble keeping our younger engineering kids. My friends' kids had no trouble finding multiple jobs.
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You and I have very different opinions about the state of the current economy. Even with interest rates at near zero, we are seeing almost no growth. That is pitiful.
Where will growth come from? The private sector has been holding worker salaries low so purchasing power is low.

Corporate investment is low. Why invest in Louisville instead of Lahore?

Public construction is low. The mostly Republican governors and state government...

Exactly how will we grow the economy?

I'll take stable growth over bubbles and depressions any time.
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My wife had six local offers, all six figures in the rust belt last March in a month. She's an IT consultant. Amazon has been trying to hire me forever (design). We're both well educated but with 30+ years experience each.

We're having trouble keeping our younger engineering kids. My friends' kids had no trouble finding multiple jobs.
I've been trying to leave my company for the last five years, my son graduated from college in 2014 and just recently found something. The financial downturn is definitely alive.

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This is a myth. Do not fall for it. If the legal and illegal aliens are not kicked out, they will have a permanent voting base, which will be the end of the Republican party. Trump has 2 years to save us. He isn't going to do it.
Kick out legal aliens?

Good luck with that.

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I've been trying to leave my company for the last five years, my son graduated from college in 2014 and just recently found something. The financial downturn is definitely alive.
Without knowing where you live and what your skill set is, it's kind of hard to respond.

There's a reason talent and money flocks to big, urban, centers in the coasts. If you want to make a living as a chip designer in Montana...
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The Democrats will not be back in any meaningful way for a very long time.


That's what Newt Gingrich said when he and the "Immoral Majority" stormed Congress in 1994. He and his true believers badly overestimated the support for their Contract with America and the Democrats were back by 1998.

The same situation applies today. Rising unemployment is all it takes for any administration to find itself on thin ice. Or promises unkept.
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That's what Newt Gingrich said when he and the "Immoral Majority" stormed Congress in 1994. He and his true believers badly overestimated the support for their Contract with America and the Democrats were back by 1998.

The same situation applies today. Rising unemployment is all it takes for any administration to find itself on thin ice. Or promises unkept.
Perhaps. Democrats control 4 states. That's it. They have no control over 36. It's hard to do much when you have so little power.
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Perhaps. Democrats control 4 states. That's it. They have no control over 36. It's hard to do much when you have so little power.

Republicans didn't take control this election. Trump took control. All it takes to lose control of the presidency is to disgust 3% of the people who voted for you. Then the Electoral College flips and the other party is in. Senate seats and governorships are a different story.

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Republicans didn't take control this election. Trump took control. All it takes to lose control of the presidency is to disgust 3% of the people who voted for you. Then the Electoral College flips and the other party is in. Senate seats and governorships are a different story.
tbh - Trump won, because he is seen as a non-establishment politician. If he can successfully implement change that 'gives power back to the people', he will get a 2nd term. I don't think either party has a different candidate who is not establishment.

I think you will continue to see the coasts electing Dems and the middle outside of Illinois, predominantly electing Reps and that will lead to 51/49 either way in the Senate for rest of time. Unless, of course, something major happens, like the death of one of the parties.
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Really! Try to get a job once.
I've gotten 3 in the last eight years.
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Why not? The election was close, no reason to think the next will be different. If things go well, the republicans will do better if they go badly the democrats will do better.

The electoral system makes victories look much larger than they are. It takes just a couple percent of the population to change their vote - or even turn out for the results to flip.

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The job market varies a lot by skill set and location. That of course doesn't help the people in bad job markets or with skills that have become less marketable.

There is also a lot of feedback. Every job I've had, has come from contacts at a previous job - except the first which came from college contacts.




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Both sides will scream they are right. Republicans will scream that their failures are due to Dems, and their successes due to their policies, just as the Dems scream the opposite. Just like Obama and the Dems scream that their failures are due to the evil Republicans and their successes due to the Dem policies, while the R's scream that his failures are his, and his successes are theirs.
What I'm going to do in four years, well roughly 3 3/4 years and if I'm still around, is to vote according to what I see rather than what tell me I need to see. Accomplishment talks and bull shyt walks.

If you don't embody controversy, what you say will become just another part of the media driven culture of stifling thought and debate about issues.
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