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post #16 of 198 (permalink) Old 01-24-2017, 08:56 AM Thread Starter
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I liked it and the fact that many parents couldn't or don't understand it is simply a testament to it's necessity.

Sadly something that started out bipartisan has now been labeled "liberal" and the "teacher's union plot to hurt our kids" so, ironically, it's probably going to be thrown away by an administration that all went to {and their kids went to or go to} private schools that has utilized the advanced curriculum to some degree since the 1970's.

We don't need kids to be calculators ~ we NEED mathematicians and engineers.
And CC is supposed to accomplish this?

I have one daughter graduating in chemical engineering this spring, and a son starting his engineering studies in the fall. Both have used a traditional, though spiral, math curriculum in our homeschool (Saxon).

My third child is using the same program, but supplementing with the Art of Problem Solving, a series for mathematically gifted students. He finds it interesting, and says it gives a new perspective on math. Maybe this is the same sort of instruction CC offers? And that is why some students struggle with it?


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Opt out? That is an option? Had not heard that.
I wonder if opting out would have negative circumstances such as the school district not receiving any federal money. That's usually the way they force through federal standards.

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I wonder if opting out would have negative circumstances such as the school district not receiving any federal money. That's usually the way they force through federal standards.
Good point. That is probably it.

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I wonder if opting out would have negative circumstances such as the school district not receiving any federal money. That's usually the way they force through federal standards.
So, are you making the implication that the federal money should NOT be tied to federal standards? I don't know what to really make of this since federal standards usually benefit everyone and wanting federal money but not wanting to abide by federal standards helps nobody.
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What do you think of this?

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I liked it and the fact that many parents couldn't or don't understand it is simply a testament to it's necessity.

Sadly something that started out bipartisan has now been labeled "liberal" and the "teacher's union plot to hurt our kids" so, ironically, it's probably going to be thrown away by an administration that all went to {and their kids went to or go to} private schools that has utilized the advanced curriculum to some degree since the 1970's.

We don't need kids to be calculators ~ we NEED mathematicians and engineers.
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So, are you making the implication that the federal money should NOT be tied to federal standards? I don't know what to really make of this since federal standards usually benefit everyone and wanting federal money but not wanting to abide by federal standards helps nobody.
Are they helping, though?

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Are they helping, though?
Are they not? Do we have enough time and data to determine if they are? I have worked through the low level stuff with my kids and I see value in it.
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Are they not? Do we have enough time and data to determine if they are? I have worked through the low level stuff with my kids and I see value in it.
Did you look at post #20?

Again, my kids have not done CC, and they are turning out fine mathematically. Can you understand my skepticism?

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The concept of common core is good but the implementation is poor.

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The concept of common core is good but the implementation is poor.
Please elaborate.

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Did you look at post #20?

Again, my kids have not done CC, and they are turning out fine mathematically. Can you understand my skepticism?
Correlation does not equal causation. Just because your two kids came out fine mathematically (as did I), doesn't mean that it isn't a better way to teach. Think about the kids who were borderline but then didn't get it. Maybe this gives them much more of a foundation that your kids didn't need because they are brilliant! I did miss #20 and I'll look at it.
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One problem and someone not being able to grasps the solution doesn't equate to a failure of the curriculum.
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One problem and someone not being able to grasps the solution doesn't equate to a failure of the curriculum.
I sense defensiveness, Herschel. Am I misunderstanding?

From the image: "In the real world, simplification is valued over complication."

He or she is an engineer and wrote that. Didn't you (or someone) say the purpose of CC was to produce more engineers?

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Did you look at post #20?

Again, my kids have not done CC, and they are turning out fine mathematically. Can you understand my skepticism?
Your kids turned out fine for reasons not related to common core...
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